 Comp.lang.php group question [message #170313] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 17:19  |
GarryJones
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This newsgroup and the people in it have helped me struggle with php
coding for the last 5 years. Just wanna say thanks for all the tips
and pointers I have received.
I read this group through Google. Is it just me or is this group now
heavily spammed? I only see one php posting for every 20-30 spams
about a variety of things, normally with some actress's or popstars
name in the title.
How does everyone else read this group?
If Google want to suceed as a search company why are they allowing all
this spam to fly in?
Again, thanks for all your help over the years......
Garry Jones
Sweden
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170324 is a reply to message #170322] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 21:26  |
Magno
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On 10/28/2010 05:50 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Magno wrote:
>
>> MG wrote:
>>> "GarryJones" wrote:
>>>> I read this group through Google. Is it just me or is this group now
>>>> heavily spammed? I only see one php posting for every 20-30 spams
>>>> about a variety of things, normally with some actress's or popstars
>>>> name in the title.
>>>>
>>>> How does everyone else read this group?
>>>
>>> Don't use google groups!
>>>
>>> Connect to a news server.
>>> eg news.eternal-september.org
>>>
>>> Most of the spam will be filtered.
>>
>> Many have users coming from eternal-september filtered by default.
>> since it is a common place for trolls or spammers to post from.
>>
>> So I *think* that just a number of people would see your posts from
>> there.
>>
>> Or Am I misinformed?
>
> You are misinformed. Trolls post from anywhere, but nearly *ALL* the
> spam comes from *google groups*. Many people filter the entirety of
> google group posts, as do I, and I did not see the GarryJones post at
> all.
>
> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
> Oh, your subsequent post of "I am not discussing that precisely. What I
> say, is that many have eternal-september filtered also for a number of
> reasons including the ones mentioned." is also wrong. In fact, you are
> posting with a gmail address, and you stand a much larger chance of
> being filtered than any e-s user. Filtering gmail is the second-most
> active filtering process (for those who can't filter by Message-ID.
Right but I think you are mixing two things... I am not posting from
Google Groups, and if I put my Gmail address in the from header, it is
because it is my email address.
Filtering by server is OK, filtering by email address... I find it plain
idiot since there is no reason to do so. Isn’t it?
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170325 is a reply to message #170324] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 22:05 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Magno wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Magno wrote:
>>> MG wrote:
>>>> "GarryJones" wrote:
>>>> > I read this group through Google. Is it just me or is this group
>>>> > now heavily spammed? I only see one php posting for every 20-30
>>>> > spams about a variety of things, normally with some actress's or
>>>> > popstars name in the title.
>>>> >
>>>> > How does everyone else read this group?
>>>>
>>>> Don't use google groups!
>>>>
>>>> Connect to a news server.
>>>> eg news.eternal-september.org
>>>>
>>>> Most of the spam will be filtered.
>>>
>>> Many have users coming from eternal-september filtered by default.
>>> since it is a common place for trolls or spammers to post from.
>>>
>>> So I *think* that just a number of people would see your posts from
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Or Am I misinformed?
>>
>> You are misinformed. Trolls post from anywhere, but nearly *ALL* the
>> spam comes from *google groups*. Many people filter the entirety of
>> google group posts, as do I, and I did not see the GarryJones post
>> at all.
>>
>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>
>> Oh, your subsequent post of "I am not discussing that precisely. What
>> I say, is that many have eternal-september filtered also for a
>> number of reasons including the ones mentioned." is also wrong. In
>> fact, you are posting with a gmail address, and you stand a much
>> larger chance of being filtered than any e-s user. Filtering gmail
>> is the second-most active filtering process (for those who can't
>> filter by Message-ID.
>
> Right but I think you are mixing two things... I am not posting from
> Google Groups,
I am not mixing anything. I did not say _you_ were posting via GG. It's
obvious from your Message-ID.
> and if I put my Gmail address in the from header, it is
> because it is my email address.
...which as I said, is gmail, and the poor man's way to filter google
groups (as quite a many GGers use one).
> Filtering by server is OK, filtering by email address... I find it
> plain idiot since there is no reason to do so. Isn’t it?
See above. For example, users of Thunderbird pre-V.3 could not filter by
Message-ID, so email address was substituted to kill the google spam.
You must be fairly new to Usenet if you don't know that Google Groups is
the primary source of Usenet spam.
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-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170326 is a reply to message #170325] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 22:17 |
Magno
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On 10/28/2010 07:05 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Magno wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> MG wrote:
>>>> > "GarryJones" wrote:
>>>> >> I read this group through Google. Is it just me or is this group
>>>> >> now heavily spammed? I only see one php posting for every 20-30
>>>> >> spams about a variety of things, normally with some actress's or
>>>> >> popstars name in the title.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How does everyone else read this group?
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't use google groups!
>>>> >
>>>> > Connect to a news server.
>>>> > eg news.eternal-september.org
>>>> >
>>>> > Most of the spam will be filtered.
>>>>
>>>> Many have users coming from eternal-september filtered by default.
>>>> since it is a common place for trolls or spammers to post from.
>>>>
>>>> So I *think* that just a number of people would see your posts from
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Or Am I misinformed?
>>>
>>> You are misinformed. Trolls post from anywhere, but nearly *ALL* the
>>> spam comes from *google groups*. Many people filter the entirety of
>>> google group posts, as do I, and I did not see the GarryJones post
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>>
>>> Oh, your subsequent post of "I am not discussing that precisely. What
>>> I say, is that many have eternal-september filtered also for a
>>> number of reasons including the ones mentioned." is also wrong. In
>>> fact, you are posting with a gmail address, and you stand a much
>>> larger chance of being filtered than any e-s user. Filtering gmail
>>> is the second-most active filtering process (for those who can't
>>> filter by Message-ID.
>>
>> Right but I think you are mixing two things... I am not posting from
>> Google Groups,
>
> I am not mixing anything. I did not say _you_ were posting via GG. It's
> obvious from your Message-ID.
>
>> and if I put my Gmail address in the from header, it is
>> because it is my email address.
>
> ..which as I said, is gmail, and the poor man's way to filter google
> groups (as quite a many GGers use one).
Ah yes, now I get it. Anyway I don‘t mind, I mean... I don’t think I am
going to get to much help by anyone that basic.
>> Filtering by server is OK, filtering by email address... I find it
>> plain idiot since there is no reason to do so. Isn’t it?
>
> See above. For example, users of Thunderbird pre-V.3 could not filter by
> Message-ID, so email address was substituted to kill the google spam.
Thanks for the clarification. Lets just hope there are not thousands of
users still stuck in that old TB version.
> You must be fairly new to Usenet if you don't know that Google Groups is
> the primary source of Usenet spam.
I actually know, but don’t care. I won’t stress too much by deleting
five spammy messages every some hours.
It is just unfair for me that Google Groups users just get filtered by
nonsensical reasons like.- “they are newbies and not as pro as me so
they don’t deserve our attention.”
Which are the reasons I receive the most by these pseudo-old-school-geeks.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170330 is a reply to message #170326] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 02:06 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/28/2010 6:17 PM, Magno wrote:
> On 10/28/2010 07:05 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Magno wrote:
>>
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> > MG wrote:
>>>> >> "GarryJones" wrote:
>>>> >>> I read this group through Google. Is it just me or is this group
>>>> >>> now heavily spammed? I only see one php posting for every 20-30
>>>> >>> spams about a variety of things, normally with some actress's or
>>>> >>> popstars name in the title.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> How does everyone else read this group?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Don't use google groups!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Connect to a news server.
>>>> >> eg news.eternal-september.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Most of the spam will be filtered.
>>>> >
>>>> > Many have users coming from eternal-september filtered by default.
>>>> > since it is a common place for trolls or spammers to post from.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I *think* that just a number of people would see your posts from
>>>> > there.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or Am I misinformed?
>>>>
>>>> You are misinformed. Trolls post from anywhere, but nearly *ALL* the
>>>> spam comes from *google groups*. Many people filter the entirety of
>>>> google group posts, as do I, and I did not see the GarryJones post
>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>>>
>>>> Oh, your subsequent post of "I am not discussing that precisely. What
>>>> I say, is that many have eternal-september filtered also for a
>>>> number of reasons including the ones mentioned." is also wrong. In
>>>> fact, you are posting with a gmail address, and you stand a much
>>>> larger chance of being filtered than any e-s user. Filtering gmail
>>>> is the second-most active filtering process (for those who can't
>>>> filter by Message-ID.
>>>
>>> Right but I think you are mixing two things... I am not posting from
>>> Google Groups,
>>
>> I am not mixing anything. I did not say _you_ were posting via GG. It's
>> obvious from your Message-ID.
>>
>>> and if I put my Gmail address in the from header, it is
>>> because it is my email address.
>>
>> ..which as I said, is gmail, and the poor man's way to filter google
>> groups (as quite a many GGers use one).
>
> Ah yes, now I get it. Anyway I don‘t mind, I mean... I don’t think I am
> going to get to much help by anyone that basic.
>
>>> Filtering by server is OK, filtering by email address... I find it
>>> plain idiot since there is no reason to do so. Isn’t it?
>>
>> See above. For example, users of Thunderbird pre-V.3 could not filter by
>> Message-ID, so email address was substituted to kill the google spam.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. Lets just hope there are not thousands of
> users still stuck in that old TB version.
>
>> You must be fairly new to Usenet if you don't know that Google Groups is
>> the primary source of Usenet spam.
>
> I actually know, but don’t care. I won’t stress too much by deleting
> five spammy messages every some hours.
> It is just unfair for me that Google Groups users just get filtered by
> nonsensical reasons like.- “they are newbies and not as pro as me so
> they don’t deserve our attention.”
> Which are the reasons I receive the most by these pseudo-old-school-geeks.
Not all GG users are new - some are very experienced programmers who
can't use a usenet server for various reasons - i.e. a firewall at the
office. So their only access is through GG.
I know it's not fair to them to filter out all GG messages - but
sometimes it's more survival than anything.
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170331 is a reply to message #170326] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 02:34 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Magno wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Magno wrote:
<biggasnip>
>>> Right but I think you are mixing two things... I am not posting from
>>> Google Groups,
>>
>> I am not mixing anything. I did not say _you_ were posting via GG.
>> It's obvious from your Message-ID.
>>
>>> and if I put my Gmail address in the from header, it is because it
>>> is my email address.
>>
>> ..which as I said, is gmail, and the poor man's way to filter google
>> groups (as quite a many GGers use one).
>
> Ah yes, now I get it. Anyway I don‘t mind, I mean... I don’t think I
> am going to get to much help by anyone that basic.
to/too. So you're saying GGers are "too basic?" In many cases, that is
true...
>>> Filtering by server is OK, filtering by email address... I find it
>>> plain idiot since there is no reason to do so. Isn’t it?
>>
>> See above. For example, users of Thunderbird pre-V.3 could not
>> filter by Message-ID, so email address was substituted to kill the
>> google spam.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. Lets just hope there are not thousands
> of users still stuck in that old TB version.
I still use V2.0.0.24, but only for email. TB is not a good newsreader,
so I use one that is much better. I have no problem killing GG posts
with but a single line in my score file. I also can white-list known
worthwhile GG posters, which I do when they become known to me. (The
ones Jerry mentioned.)
>> You must be fairly new to Usenet if you don't know that Google Groups
>> is the primary source of Usenet spam.
>
> I actually know, but don’t care. I won’t stress too much by deleting
> five spammy messages every some hours. It is just unfair for me that
> Google Groups users just get filtered by nonsensical reasons like.-
> “they are newbies and not as pro as me so they don’t deserve our
> attention.”
It's not 'newbies' .. it's the spam. If you can convince Google to
prohibit the spam, I'll gladly remove my filter.
Did you know there is an enterprising programmer selling an automated
program for sending huge volumes of spam through google groups? And they
let him get away with it?
> Which are the reasons I receive the most by these
> pseudo-old-school-geeks.
Sentence does not parse.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170384 is a reply to message #170364] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 16:03 |
sheldonlg
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On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>> apparently.
>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own machine
>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>
> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>
Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
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Shelly
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170385 is a reply to message #170384] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 16:09 |
Magno
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On 10/31/2010 01:03 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>>> apparently.
>>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own
>>> machine
>>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>>
>> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
>> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
>> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
>> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>>
>
> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
And filtering also all posters which are using their gmail address to
post as. Brilliant!
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170387 is a reply to message #170385] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 17:04 |
sheldonlg
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On 10/31/2010 12:09 PM, Magno wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 01:03 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
>> On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>>>> apparently.
>>>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>>>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>>>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own
>>>> machine
>>>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>>>
>>> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
>>> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
>>> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
>>> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>>>
>>
>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
>> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>
> And filtering also all posters which are using their gmail address to
> post as. Brilliant!
I said if it continues. In that case I will leave it to some other
poster who is willing to put up with all that crap to respond to a
legitimate gmail.com poster in order to see the original.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170389 is a reply to message #170388] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 17:20 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Sherm Pendley wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com.
>>> Let's see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>
>> You won't have to do that. Besides, real posters using real
>> newsreaders oft use a gmail address.
>
> That would be me! I use GMail for mail, and Emacs Gnus for usenet.
> But to be honest, I mostly lurk here, and I have very little
> experience with PHP - you wouldn't lose much of anything if you
> filtered the few messages I do post here. Such as this one. :-)
>
>> Filtering googlegroups.com will kill the spam.
>
> I filter on the Organization: header. For posts from google groups,
> it's always:
>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
The Organization header is 'expensive' though. You have to download the
post to utilize it, whereas the Message-ID is included in the initial
headers-only load. Or so it was written elsewhere some time ago.
Filter on googlegroups.com globally, and not just by group.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170391 is a reply to message #170384] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 18:02 |
David Pyles
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sheldonlg wrote:
> On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>>> apparently.
>>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own
>>> machine
>>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>>
>> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
>> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
>> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
>> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>>
>
> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>
For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the filter a
couple of days ago.
Dave Pyles
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170392 is a reply to message #170385] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 18:04 |
David Pyles
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Magno wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 01:03 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
>> On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>>>> apparently.
>>>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>>>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>>>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own
>>>> machine
>>>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>>>
>>> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
>>> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
>>> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
>>> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>>>
>>
>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
>> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>
> And filtering also all posters which are using their gmail address to
> post as. Brilliant!
Again, for what it's worth, I'm still getting the posts from gmail
addresses with the filter in place.
Dave Pyles
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170394 is a reply to message #170391] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 19:59 |
Magno
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On 10/31/2010 03:02 PM, David Pyles wrote:
> sheldonlg wrote:
>> On 10/30/2010 11:55 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:11 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. Neither does your ISP,
>>>> apparently.
>>>> First, Google is a poor way to access newsgroups. You need a newsgroup
>>>> reader as is in Outlook Express or one of many others available. I'd
>>>> consider Google only for times when I'm not able to get to my own
>>>> machine
>>>> and I didn't have a functional group client available.
>>>
>>> Oof. OE stopped being availible when XP stopped being availible. It's
>>> about time to get out of the habit of expecting it. You can't buy it
>>> anymore, can't get a new machine licensed to use it anymore and in a
>>> mere 40 months, it won't even be patched anymore.
>>>
>>
>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
>> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>
> For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the filter a
> couple of days ago.
> Dave Pyles
Why I just don’t get is why apparently many of you get overly stressed
by deleting five spammy messages every some days.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170397 is a reply to message #170396] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 20:23 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/31/2010 4:11 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Magno wrote:
>
>> David Pyles wrote:
>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>>> > Twayne wrote:
>>>> >> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. ...
>>>>
>>>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
>>>> see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the filter a
>>> couple of days ago.
>>
>> Why I just don’t get is why apparently many of you get overly stressed
>> by deleting five spammy messages every some days.
>
> Sheldon already said he saw 13 in this group today. Multiply that by,
> oh, fifty groups, and what do you get? A lot more than five.
>
> If you don't want to filter them, then don't. It's your choice. It's
> also my choice. I'd rather not see any of the crap.
>
There have been more in this group today than I normally see in a week
in all the groups I monitor, even without filters.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170398 is a reply to message #170397] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 20:26 |
Magno
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On 10/31/2010 05:23 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 4:11 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Magno wrote:
>>
>>> David Pyles wrote:
>>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> > Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>>> >> Twayne wrote:
>>>> >>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. ...
>>>> >
>>>> > Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> > gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com. Let's
>>>> > see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the filter a
>>>> couple of days ago.
>>>
>>> Why I just don’t get is why apparently many of you get overly stressed
>>> by deleting five spammy messages every some days.
>>
>> Sheldon already said he saw 13 in this group today. Multiply that by,
>> oh, fifty groups, and what do you get? A lot more than five.
>>
>> If you don't want to filter them, then don't. It's your choice. It's
>> also my choice. I'd rather not see any of the crap.
>>
>
> There have been more in this group today than I normally see in a week
> in all the groups I monitor, even without filters.
>
Then I guess I am subscribed to another universe of groups? currently 25
of the international usenet and found like 20 spams today.
Took me less than three seconds to delete them all.
How stressing~
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170399 is a reply to message #170398] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 21:35 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Magno wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> David Pyles wrote:
>>>> > sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> >> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>>> >>> Twayne wrote:
>>>> >>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> >> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com.
>>>> >> Let's see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>> >>
>>>> > For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the
>>>> > filter a couple of days ago.
>>>>
>>>> Why I just don’t get is why apparently many of you get overly
>>>> stressed by deleting five spammy messages every some days.
>>>
>>> Sheldon already said he saw 13 in this group today. Multiply that
>>> by, oh, fifty groups, and what do you get? A lot more than five.
>>>
>>> If you don't want to filter them, then don't. It's your choice.
>>> It's also my choice. I'd rather not see any of the crap.
>>
>> There have been more in this group today than I normally see in a
>> week in all the groups I monitor, even without filters.
>
> Then I guess I am subscribed to another universe of groups? currently
> 25 of the international usenet and found like 20 spams today. Took me
> less than three seconds to delete them all.
I am proud of you. Deleting 20 spams across multiple groups in three
seconds is quite fast. You must be quite experienced at it. Meanwhile, I
was having a beer.
> How stressing~
Not for me. They are no-see-ums. Why do you want to debate having a
choice?
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-"Let those who ride decide"
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170401 is a reply to message #170399] |
Sun, 31 October 2010 21:45 |
Magno
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On 10/31/2010 06:35 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Magno wrote:
>
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> > David Pyles wrote:
>>>> >> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> >>> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>>>> >>>> Twayne wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Because Google doesn't really care about spam. ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> >>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com.
>>>> >>> Let's see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> For what it's worth, I haven't seen any spam since I set the
>>>> >> filter a couple of days ago.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why I just don’t get is why apparently many of you get overly
>>>> > stressed by deleting five spammy messages every some days.
>>>>
>>>> Sheldon already said he saw 13 in this group today. Multiply that
>>>> by, oh, fifty groups, and what do you get? A lot more than five.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to filter them, then don't. It's your choice.
>>>> It's also my choice. I'd rather not see any of the crap.
>>>
>>> There have been more in this group today than I normally see in a
>>> week in all the groups I monitor, even without filters.
>>
>> Then I guess I am subscribed to another universe of groups? currently
>> 25 of the international usenet and found like 20 spams today. Took me
>> less than three seconds to delete them all.
>
> I am proud of you. Deleting 20 spams across multiple groups in three
> seconds is quite fast. You must be quite experienced at it. Meanwhile, I
> was having a beer.
>
>> How stressing~
>
> Not for me. They are no-see-ums. Why do you want to debate having a
> choice?
Having a choice is OK, doing a stupid decision to make a filter and
filter a bunch of people because of incompetence is another matter.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170406 is a reply to message #170405] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 00:55 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Magno wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 07:44 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Magno wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> Magno wrote:
>> [bigsnipoccurs]
>>>> > Then I guess I am subscribed to another universe of groups?
>>>> > currently 25 of the international usenet and found like 20 spams
>>>> > today. Took me less than three seconds to delete them all.
>>>>
>>>> I am proud of you. Deleting 20 spams across multiple groups in
>>>> three seconds is quite fast. You must be quite experienced at it.
>>>> Meanwhile, I was having a beer.
>>>>
>>>> > How stressing~
>>>>
>>>> Not for me. They are no-see-ums. Why do you want to debate having
>>>> a choice?
>>>
>>> Having a choice is OK, doing a stupid decision to make a filter and
>>> filter a bunch of people
>>
>> Most of those "people" are spamming. A lot more than are legitimate
>> individual posters.
>
> The from header is freely changeable... filtering by it and removing
> all gmail addresses is quite useless.
But I didn't say "filter by the From". I said filter by the Message-ID
(see posted example below). I do not filter GG by From field - there is
nothing consistent in it. And I don't filter gmail addresses; that was
someone else's bad suggestion.
> Filtering by organization would be better. Anyway... is it the fault
> of people who cannot use regular newsreader? nop.
...and as I mentioned earlier, is an "expensive" filter. 2) We don't
know whose fault it is until we get to know them. If they seem to be
serious real people and not hit-and-runners, I whitelist 'em.
>> I have quite a many regular googlegroup posters *whitelisted* (bet
>> you didn't think of that!).
>
> I could have thought about this... I was just wondering how I would
> choose anyone to whitelist while I am unable to even see them. Ah
> yes, filtering only some before filtering...
You'd see replies from other people who don't filter. You look back and
see if you want to whitelist them. It's been working for me (and many
others) for a long time.
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>> It may not be possible to do that with your mail client newsreader.
>
> No idea, I don’t do much filtering with TB, my Leafnode is for that.
>
>> !markread Message-ID googlegroups.com
>> !markunread From thisperson(at)gmail(dot)com
>> !markunread From thatperson(at)otherisp(dot)com etc...
>>
>>> because of incompetence is another matter.
>>
>> May I call you names too?
>
> Didn’t meant to do it, I’m sorry if it sort of hit you.
You sound sincere; apology accepted.
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