| Re: PHP IDE [message #170368 is a reply to message #170356] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 15:58   |
Magno
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On 10/30/2010 09:02 AM, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 4:42 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>>> > "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> >> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> >> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> >> platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> >> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> >> but it
>>>> >> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> >> money for
>>>> >> in my opinion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>>> > I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>>> > using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>>> > each to
>>>> > make a decent comparison.
>>>> >
>>>> > The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>>> > have
>>>> > avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has
>>>> > the
>>>> > added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>>> > a go
>>>> > through wine and see how it goes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, just a warning:
>>>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>>>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their
>>>> complexity
>>>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Erwin Moller
>>>>
>>>
>>> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
>>> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>>>
>>
>> Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
>>
>> You know as well as I do that it all depends on what kind of test you
>> run.
>>
>> If you want to see some benchmarks, I like these:
>> http://kano.net/javabench/
>> Graphs:
>> http://kano.net/javabench/data
>> (a bit old)
>>
>> Or maybe the article by Lewis & Neumann:
>> http://scribblethink.org/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
>> (a bit old too and also about Fortran, which I barely know, maybe you
>> do.)
>>
>> Java isn't slow. Maybe a little slower (a few %) than good C(++) code.
>> That isn't important. Every few months the CPUs get faster, so who cares
>> about a few percentage?
>>
>> But this is about a good IDE, and I mainly wanted to tell the OP that
>> Java (hotspot VM) is doing a good job (fast).
>> If the IDE is slow it is because it is busy doing complicated stuff, not
>> because the language it is programmed in (Java) is slow.
>> Of course, the IDE can also be slow because of poorly programming, but I
>> don't expect that in Eclipse and Netbeans.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin Moller
>>
>> PS: Please never ask me to define "bloody fast" again. ;-)
>>
>
> I would like to know what the OP, or either of you, think of as slow in
> an IDE? You type at the same speed. You think in between at the same
> speed. They all load a file faster than you can sneeze. They all save
> files just as fast. Eclipse downloads a whole CVS branch (a couple of
> hundred files) from CVS for me in 5-20 over a VPN connection from within
> a virtual PC on Windows 7. It uploads my (few) changed files almost
> instantaneously.
>
> So, where does this "slow" thing exhibit itself?
>
> Frankly, if the OP is have "speed" issues, I would suggest he add more
> memory to his machine or get a faster machine.
>
Using Eclipse I had really hard times for almost 70% of my ram memory
being constantly used by a text editor for, for me, apparently _nothing_.
Why using that while I can code on VIM with syntax highlighting and all
consuming practically nothing of my ram?
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