| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170414 is a reply to message #170406] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 04:33   |
Sherm Pendley
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a(dot)nony(dot)mous(at)example(dot)invalid> writes:
> Magno wrote:
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>> Filtering by organization would be better. Anyway... is it the fault
>> of people who cannot use regular newsreader? nop.
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> ..and as I mentioned earlier, is an "expensive" filter.
Thank you for that tip, btw. I didn't know the initial header fetch only
included a minimal set of header fields. I had assumed (bad habit, I
know...) it included all of the headers, but not the body.
>> I could have thought about this... I was just wondering how I would
>> choose anyone to whitelist while I am unable to even see them. Ah
>> yes, filtering only some before filtering...
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> You'd see replies from other people who don't filter. You look back and
> see if you want to whitelist them. It's been working for me (and many
> others) for a long time.
That's what I do. Sometimes, if I have some time to kill, I'll read a
few posts that were scored below my usual viewing threshold. Filtering
isn't an absolute banishing of Google Groups users from my sight until
the end of time, just a quick and easy guideline to help minimize the
noise.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170418 is a reply to message #170414] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 09:49 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Sherm Pendley wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>> Magno wrote:
>>> Filtering by organization would be better.
>>
>> ..and as I mentioned earlier, is an "expensive" filter.
>
> Thank you for that tip, btw. I didn't know the initial header fetch
> only included a minimal set of header fields. I had assumed (bad
> habit, I know...) it included all of the headers, but not the body.
Yup. YW. I learned it from a poster in n.s.r a couple years ago. I've
forgotten whom. There'll be a list somewhere of which header fields are
and are not included in 'header fetch' but it's too dark yet this
morning to go googling...
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170419 is a reply to message #170393] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 10:51 |
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On 10/31/2010 2:35 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> David Pyles wrote:
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>> Magno wrote:
>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com.
>>>> Let's see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>
>>> And filtering also all posters which are using their gmail address
>>> to post as. Brilliant!
>>
>> Again, for what it's worth, I'm still getting the posts from gmail
>> addresses with the filter in place.
>
> With the Message-ID googlegroups.com filter? Of course you are; that
> won't restrict Froms of gmail.com ...
>
Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using "Path
contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170421 is a reply to message #170419] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 11:52 |
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Bill Braun wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> With the Message-ID googlegroups.com filter? Of course you are; that
>> won't restrict Froms of gmail.com ...
>
> Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using
> "Path contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
That would work, I'm sure, but as far as I remember is a filter in the
"expensive" category, where you need to download the whole post in order
to get that field. If you change to Message-ID contains googlegroups it
will be much more efficient.
I wish I could find the list of which header items are included in just
a header fetch. There are only a few: Message-ID, From, Subject, Lines
or Size, maybe one or two more. "Organization" is not one, and I think
neither is Path.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170422 is a reply to message #170421] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 12:13 |
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On 11/1/2010 7:52 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Bill Braun wrote:
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>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> With the Message-ID googlegroups.com filter? Of course you are; that
>>> won't restrict Froms of gmail.com ...
>>
>> Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using
>> "Path contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
>
> That would work, I'm sure, but as far as I remember is a filter in the
> "expensive" category, where you need to download the whole post in order
> to get that field. If you change to Message-ID contains googlegroups it
> will be much more efficient.
>
> I wish I could find the list of which header items are included in just
> a header fetch. There are only a few: Message-ID, From, Subject, Lines
> or Size, maybe one or two more. "Organization" is not one, and I think
> neither is Path.
>
Is that true for POP account mail? I can set filters at the server (web
access) but am limited to "from" address. Since both Path and Message-ID
are in the headers, when the headers are downloaded to Thunderbird
(3.1.6) is not the "expense" the same for both filters?
Bill B
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170424 is a reply to message #170422] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 12:54 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Bill Braun wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Bill Braun wrote:
>>> Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using
>>> "Path contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
>>
>> That would work, I'm sure, but as far as I remember is a filter in
>> the "expensive" category, where you need to download the whole post
>> in order to get that field. If you change to Message-ID contains
>> googlegroups it will be much more efficient.
>>
>> I wish I could find the list of which header items are included in
>> just a header fetch. There are only a few: Message-ID, From,
>> Subject, Lines or Size, maybe one or two more. "Organization" is not
>> one, and I think neither is Path.
>
> Is that true for POP account mail?
I do not know. There should be a standard (research RFCs?) though it
might vary by ISPs/mail servers...
> I can set filters at the server (web access) but am limited to "from"
> address.
Seems to be typical of web access to mail, and is similar to my own
various web-accessible email servers.
> Since both Path and Message-ID are in the headers, when the headers
> are downloaded to Thunderbird (3.1.6) is not the "expense" the same
> for both filters?
But are they in a check of only (email) headers? I can't say, but
suspect you would have to download the entire email to see them by your
email client. I also suspect average folk do not have procedures in
place to fetch only headers of email and instead just download all.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170426 is a reply to message #170424] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 13:10 |
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On 11/1/2010 8:54 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Bill Braun wrote:
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>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Bill Braun wrote:
>>>> Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using
>>>> "Path contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
After putting in Message-ID contains googlegroups.com I didn't receive
any spam this morning.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170430 is a reply to message #170426] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 14:00 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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sheldonlg wrote:
> After putting in Message-ID contains googlegroups.com I didn't receive
> any spam this morning.
Since I use markread instead of delete, I can switch modes and see
what's up. I do see about 8 or 9 spams from "ferox gold" in this group
in the last dozen hours. Completely hidden from normal view... :-)
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170433 is a reply to message #170430] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 14:30 |
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On 11/1/2010 10:00 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> sheldonlg wrote:
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>> After putting in Message-ID contains googlegroups.com I didn't receive
>> any spam this morning.
>
> Since I use markread instead of delete, I can switch modes and see
> what's up. I do see about 8 or 9 spams from "ferox gold" in this group
> in the last dozen hours. Completely hidden from normal view... :-)
>
Likewise using markread (but filtering on Path) through
eternal-september, after setting View to ALL I see none of those.
Bill B
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170434 is a reply to message #170430] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 14:31 |
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On 11/1/2010 10:00 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> sheldonlg wrote:
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>> After putting in Message-ID contains googlegroups.com I didn't receive
>> any spam this morning.
>
> Since I use markread instead of delete, I can switch modes and see
> what's up. I do see about 8 or 9 spams from "ferox gold" in this group
> in the last dozen hours. Completely hidden from normal view... :-)
>
I stand corrected, did not have a sharp eye out.
Bill B
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170441 is a reply to message #170419] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 15:30 |
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On 11/01/2010 07:51 AM, Bill Braun wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 2:35 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> David Pyles wrote:
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>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> > Out of 21 posts just now, 13 were spam. Most of those are from
>>>> > gmail.com. I have just added the Message-ID of googlegroups.com.
>>>> > Let's see what happens. If this continues, I will add gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> And filtering also all posters which are using their gmail address
>>>> to post as. Brilliant!
>>>
>>> Again, for what it's worth, I'm still getting the posts from gmail
>>> addresses with the filter in place.
>>
>> With the Message-ID googlegroups.com filter? Of course you are; that
>> won't restrict Froms of gmail.com ...
>>
>
> Using Thunderbird I've been filtering at the account level using "Path
> contains googlegroups" with consistent success.
>
> Bill B
I thought about doing that one yesterday. instead of using organization
or from addr.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170442 is a reply to message #170418] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 15:38 |
Sherm Pendley
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a(dot)nony(dot)mous(at)example(dot)invalid> writes:
> Sherm Pendley wrote:
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>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>>> Magno wrote:
>>>> Filtering by organization would be better.
>>>
>>> ..and as I mentioned earlier, is an "expensive" filter.
>>
>> Thank you for that tip, btw. I didn't know the initial header fetch
>> only included a minimal set of header fields. I had assumed (bad
>> habit, I know...) it included all of the headers, but not the body.
>
> Yup. YW. I learned it from a poster in n.s.r a couple years ago. I've
> forgotten whom. There'll be a list somewhere of which header fields are
> and are not included in 'header fetch' but it's too dark yet this
> morning to go googling...
No need - I assume it's in the relevant RFCs, and I know where to find
those. :-)
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170444 is a reply to message #170442] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 16:21 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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Sherm Pendley wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>> Yup. YW. I learned it from a poster in n.s.r a couple years ago. I've
>> forgotten whom. There'll be a list somewhere of which header fields
>> are and are not included in 'header fetch' but it's too dark yet
>> this morning to go googling...
>
> No need - I assume it's in the relevant RFCs, and I know where to
> find those. :-)
Here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
<quote>
The required header lines are "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject",
"Message-ID", and "Path".
The optional header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To",
"Sender", "References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords",
"Summary", "Approved", "Lines", "Xref", and "Organization".
</quote>
So, Path will be included, and can be used for filtering with a header
fetch. Though I still think I prefer the Message-ID. ;-)
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170448 is a reply to message #170444] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 16:57 |
Sherm Pendley
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a(dot)nony(dot)mous(at)example(dot)invalid> writes:
> Sherm Pendley wrote:
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>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>>> Yup. YW. I learned it from a poster in n.s.r a couple years ago. I've
>>> forgotten whom. There'll be a list somewhere of which header fields
>>> are and are not included in 'header fetch' but it's too dark yet
>>> this morning to go googling...
>>
>> No need - I assume it's in the relevant RFCs, and I know where to
>> find those. :-)
>
> Here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
That defines the format of messages, not the NNTP protocol; for the
latter, the current RFC is 3977:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977>
> <quote>
> The required header lines are "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject",
> "Message-ID", and "Path".
>
> The optional header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To",
> "Sender", "References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords",
> "Summary", "Approved", "Lines", "Xref", and "Organization".
> </quote>
That's a list of what headers are required to be in a message, not the
ones that must be returned by the NNTP OVER command. Section 8.3.2 of
RFC3977 lists the latter:
"0" or article number (see below)
Subject header content
From header content
Date header content
Message-ID header content
References header content
:bytes metadata item
:lines metadata item
Note that the above list is different from that given in 1036 - it
includes References, but not Newsgroups or Path. Even so, Organization
isn't in either list, so that difference is academic.
It gets more interesting though; filtering on a field that's not in the
above list *still* doesn't necessarily require fetching a full article.
If the server supports the optional HDR (Section 8.5) command, that
can be used to fetch a single header field for one or more articles. A
client that wants to use that can use the LIST HEADERS (Section 8.6)
command to see what headers can be fetched by the HDR command.
So, a sufficiently-intelligent client that's connected to a sufficiently-
advanced server could, upon finding a filter that uses a header that's
not returned by the OVER command, use a HDR command to fetch the
additional header fields it needs.
The question then becomes whether a given client is smart enough to
do so, and whether the server to which it's connected supports the
optional commands it would need to do so.
Nothing is *ever* as simple as it seems, is it? :-)
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170449 is a reply to message #170444] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 17:33 |
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On 11/1/2010 12:21 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Sherm Pendley wrote:
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>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" writes:
>>> Yup. YW. I learned it from a poster in n.s.r a couple years ago. I've
>>> forgotten whom. There'll be a list somewhere of which header fields
>>> are and are not included in 'header fetch' but it's too dark yet
>>> this morning to go googling...
>>
>> No need - I assume it's in the relevant RFCs, and I know where to
>> find those. :-)
>
> Here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
>
> <quote>
> The required header lines are "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject",
> "Message-ID", and "Path".
>
> The optional header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To",
> "Sender", "References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords",
> "Summary", "Approved", "Lines", "Xref", and "Organization".
> </quote>
>
> So, Path will be included, and can be used for filtering with a header
> fetch. Though I still think I prefer the Message-ID. ;-)
>
What are the comparative advantages as you see them?
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170456 is a reply to message #170313] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 22:25 |
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I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as I
did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on googlegroups). I
use Thunderbird.
I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email address
is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real name here).
I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, and
contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as read (I
only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts show up whereas
they didn't with giganews.
I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's posts
from even appearing.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170458 is a reply to message #170456] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 00:14 |
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sheldonlg wrote:
> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as I
> did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on googlegroups).
> I use Thunderbird.
>
> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real name
> here).
>
> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts show
> up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>
> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
> posts from even appearing.
Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing one
or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his Message-IDs?
And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me form here:
http://tekrider.net/
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170462 is a reply to message #170458] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 02:14 |
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On 11/1/2010 8:14 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> sheldonlg wrote:
>
>> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as I
>> did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on googlegroups).
>> I use Thunderbird.
>>
>> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
>> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real name
>> here).
>>
>> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
>> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
>> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts show
>> up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>>
>> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
>> posts from even appearing.
>
> Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing one
> or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his Message-IDs?
> And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me form here:
> http://tekrider.net/
>
This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From". The
posts are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all from the
central server through which all the posts gp through, his as well as
all the other post.
BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
whitelist techrider.net.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170463 is a reply to message #170462] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 02:24 |
sheldonlg
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On 11/1/2010 10:14 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 11/1/2010 8:14 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>
>>> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as I
>>> did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on googlegroups).
>>> I use Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
>>> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real name
>>> here).
>>>
>>> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
>>> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
>>> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts show
>>> up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>>>
>>> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
>>> posts from even appearing.
>>
>> Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing one
>> or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his Message-IDs?
>> And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me form here:
>> http://tekrider.net/
>>
>
> This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From". The posts
> are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all from the
> central server through which all the posts gp through, his as well as
> all the other post.
>
> BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
> whitelist techrider.net.
>
I just checked again (I still get giganews) for a particular message
from him on the giganews and on eternal-september. It was not there on
giganews but it is there on eternal-september.
Both servers have the absolutely identical conditions in the killfile
"From" is xxxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com
or "From" contains yyy
to mark it as read.
The file was received at 6:17PM (four hours ago).
I just don't understand the inconsistency.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170465 is a reply to message #170463] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 03:12 |
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On 11/1/2010 10:24 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 11/1/2010 10:14 PM, sheldonlg wrote:
>> On 11/1/2010 8:14 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>
>>>> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as I
>>>> did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on googlegroups).
>>>> I use Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
>>>> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real name
>>>> here).
>>>>
>>>> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
>>>> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
>>>> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts show
>>>> up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
>>>> posts from even appearing.
>>>
>>> Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing one
>>> or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his Message-IDs?
>>> And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me form here:
>>> http://tekrider.net/
>>>
>>
>> This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From". The posts
>> are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all from the
>> central server through which all the posts gp through, his as well as
>> all the other post.
>>
>> BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
>> whitelist techrider.net.
>>
>
>
> I just checked again (I still get giganews) for a particular message
> from him on the giganews and on eternal-september. It was not there on
> giganews but it is there on eternal-september.
>
> Both servers have the absolutely identical conditions in the killfile
>
> "From" is xxxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com
> or "From" contains yyy
> to mark it as read.
>
> The file was received at 6:17PM (four hours ago).
>
> I just don't understand the inconsistency.
>
Sure you don't have an extra space in the data?
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170467 is a reply to message #170462] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 03:19 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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sheldonlg wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as
>>> I did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on
>>> googlegroups). I use Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
>>> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real
>>> name here).
>>>
>>> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
>>> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
>>> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts
>>> show up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>>>
>>> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
>>> posts from even appearing.
>>
>> Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing
>> one or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his
>> Message-IDs? And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me
>> form here:
>> http://tekrider.net/
>
> This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From".
I know that. It was so I could look up the post(s) and see what was in
the headers.
> The posts are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all
> from the central server through which all the posts gp through, his
> as well as all the other post.
Is this a public Usenet group? If not, describe. If it's a moderated
group, why isn't the moderator killing the posts? You did say the group
is on e-s; what group is it?
> BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
> whitelist techrider.net.
teKrider.net ... The whitelisting applies to:
"A note to users of Challenge/Response email systems:"
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170479 is a reply to message #170467] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 12:24 |
sheldonlg
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On 11/1/2010 11:19 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> sheldonlg wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> I switched to etermal-september.org and am using the same filters as
>>>> I did when I was with giganews (plus the Message-ID on
>>>> googlegroups). I use Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> I am having a problem killfiling one poster Xxx Yyy whose email
>>>> address is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com. (Obviously, I am not using his real
>>>> name here).
>>>>
>>>> I have tried the From contains xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com, is xxyyy(at)gmail(dot)com,
>>>> and contains yyy. I have done the action as delete and as Mark as
>>>> read (I only view unread). Nothing seems to work and his posts
>>>> show up whereas they didn't with giganews.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why nor what I can do to get rid of that retard's
>>>> posts from even appearing.
>>>
>>> Unless you have a typo ... it's hard to say without actually seeing
>>> one or more of the posts. How about sending me two or so of his
>>> Message-IDs? And state which group these are in. Use the Contact Me
>>> form here:
>>> http://tekrider.net/
>>
>> This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From".
>
> I know that. It was so I could look up the post(s) and see what was in
> the headers.
OK. I didn't understand that.
>
>> The posts are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all
>> from the central server through which all the posts gp through, his
>> as well as all the other post.
>
> Is this a public Usenet group? If not, describe. If it's a moderated
> group, why isn't the moderator killing the posts? You did say the group
....because they don't violate the charter. It is I who find him so
objectionable that _I_ want to killfile him from my newsreader.
> is on e-s; what group is it?
Yes. soc.culture.jewish.moderated.
>
>> BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
>> whitelist techrider.net.
>
> teKrider.net ... The whitelisting applies to:
> "A note to users of Challenge/Response email systems:"
>
What menu options actions do I do on TB to whitelist?
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170481 is a reply to message #170479] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 13:30 |
John Doe
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:24:46 -0400, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 11/1/2010 11:19 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> sheldonlg wrote:
>> [snippage]
>>> This does not have to do with Message-ID. It is on the "From".
>>
>> I know that. It was so I could look up the post(s) and see what was
>> in the headers.
>
> OK. I didn't understand that.
If you were to provide a Message-ID from the 'offending person', it
might be possible to see what you need to filter.
>>> The posts are in a moderated news group, so the Message-IDs are all
>>> from the central server through which all the posts gp through, his
>>> as well as all the other post.
All the posters have individual Message-IDs. No "central server" is
assigning them. It's no different than this group.
>> Is this a public Usenet group? If not, describe. If it's a moderated
>> group, why isn't the moderator killing the posts? You did say the group
>
> ...because they don't violate the charter. It is I who find him so
> objectionable that _I_ want to killfile him from my newsreader.
>
>> is on e-s; what group is it?
>
> Yes. soc.culture.jewish.moderated.
Ok, there are not many posting there (in the last several hundred posts)
that use a gmail address. I don't notice anything strange in their
headers that would prevent filtering just one of them.
So you can still send me the person's name, or several of their
Message-IDs, else there isn't much else to do to help you.
>>> BTW, in TB how do you whitelist. The instructions on your site said to
>>> whitelist techrider.net.
>>
>> teKrider.net ... The whitelisting applies to:
>> "A note to users of Challenge/Response email systems:"
>
> What menu options actions do I do on TB to whitelist?
If you are not using Challenge/Response, either via special software, or
through the ISP's mail server, there is no need.
Regarding Tbird, I think you can set it to only accept mail to your
Inbox from people in your address book, and redirect all the rest to,
say, the Junk folder, or delete them (risky).
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170482 is a reply to message #170479] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 13:59 |
sheldonlg
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On 11/2/2010 8:24 AM, sheldonlg wrote:
<snip>
I figured it out and it was a very stupid error on my part. In the
message filter I had the wrong radio control checked. It was looking
for a match on ALL rather than a match on ANY. Since two other people
were in the same filter, it is no wonder that if failed to filter.
Thanks for your help.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170485 is a reply to message #170484] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 14:15 |
sheldonlg
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On 11/2/2010 10:14 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>>
> Sorry, that was me. After looking at that unsubscribed group, my
> newsreader strangely switched identities...
I figured as much. You actually were a big help. When I was composing
the message to you on your site, and put in the Message-ID, I went to
copy in the exact filter I was using. It was then that I noticed that I
had "ALL" rather than "ANY" checked.
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| Re: Comp.lang.php group question [message #170487 is a reply to message #170485] |
Tue, 02 November 2010 15:36 |
Beauregard T. Shagnas
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sheldonlg wrote:
> I figured as much. You actually were a big help. When I was
> composing the message to you on your site, and put in the Message-ID,
> I went to copy in the exact filter I was using. It was then that I
> noticed that I had "ALL" rather than "ANY" checked.
Aha!! <g>
That irritable person is gone now, eh? Good! I'll unsubscribe from
your group...
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-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
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