| Re: Spam [message #170436 is a reply to message #170370] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 14:57   |
Twayne
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In news:iahh15$l4v$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org,
Beauregard T. Shagnasty <a(dot)nony(dot)mous(at)example(dot)invalid> typed:
> Twayne wrote:
>
>>> sheldonlg wrote:
>>>> I just switched to news.eternal-september.org and my
>>>> first look at this news group showed two messages --
>>>> both spam.
>>>>
>>>> How can I effectively eliminate these. Putting in an
>>>> address won't help because they keep changing. I saw a
>>>> post about Thundbird 3 being able to filter on something
>>>> new to eliminate spam, but forgot what it said. I am
>>>> using Thunderbird 3.1.6
>
> Message-ID (contains) googlegroups.com
You can do that: check Help and create a user name/rule for it. It's simple:
Try it. Blocking won't do much good, but creating a rule from the spam under
Messages will let you do anything you want.
Also notice that the added rule will be named, for instance "News News
Rule #x" unless you change it to something better, similar to e-mail.
>
>> If I turn my filters off, then I do see a fair amount of
>> spam.
>> Another part of the equation is what filtering you have on
>> your own machine as your ISP should also be deleting a
>> lot of spams.
>
> I have never heard of an ISP (any ISP) filtering spam from
> Usenet. Your ISP, whomever it is, is merely relaying a
> stream of data between your chosen news server (in your
> case, eternal-september) and your newsreader. They do not
> read or filter it.
I'm not sure why you say that; they can apply the same black/blocklists they
use for regular e-mail. And each node handling it is identified, even though
it may well be a forgery and different inside the envelope than you're used
to seeing.
>
>> Spam in newsgroups is just a fact of life and it varies
>> over time. I got the same two you probably did because my
>> filters missed them but it's no big deal.
>
> Well, you are using Outhouse Distress, which does not have
> the capability to filter on Message-ID. Perhaps if you were
> to try a more capable reader?
It certainly does; see preceding comment on that.
I daresay OE is =>any other client w/r to capabilities. I use OE because
it's functional, stable, and shows no weaknesses. Usually those who find big
problems with OE either don't understand what they're doing with it, haven't
bothered to find out what it can do, incorrectly attribute a problem to
OE, or they are just followers because "someone said".
I also use TBird, mailwasher, Sam Spade, three block lists and a couple
of my own scripts to manage spam. Spam is directed to a folder for
investigation in case a "good mail" made it in there, and then a keystroke
sends it all for parsing and reporting. That way I can report every single
piece of spam I receive before it's even two days old. As a result, I seldom
have my Inbox littered with spam.
In all fairness though, OE can catch 75 to 90% of a user's spam depending
on what lists the users have gotten onto. The trick is to know what to
trigger on, is all. e.g. if you get prescription spam, they're almost always
about Pfizer. Right there, a 1-word OE rule kills a lot of spam from being
seen right off the bat. Back in the day I only used OE's rules for spam
and it did a fair to good job all by itself. It's not rocket science by any
means.
Filetering on a sender is the absolute worst way to detect spam. The
"From" isn't even used for any function and spammers will often fill it with
a spammed name to fool the dumbos. Just like with e-mail, unless they're
good at spam setups, spammers not only end up with boilerplate because they
all bought the same program, and many of those will allow you to tell who
the spammer's ISP is and at what point it was inserted into the stream.
>
>> When I empty my spam folder I do notice a lot of gmail
>> spam sources when they're parsed (if they'll parse all the
>> way; some won't).
>
> Strange. I don't have a "spam" folder for Usenet... email,
> sure, but not News.
Use the e-mail spam folder. Drag & drop it, use a rule, whatever, to store
it into the spam folder you have in e-mail. Or to a folder on your desktop
if you like the desktop for that sort of thing, though I'd advise against
it.
You can move/copy/save it to wherever you want it to be.
Before you go off half cocked and claim these things can't be done, I'd
advise you to try them out. Everything I've mentioned not only can be done
but I have done it.
>
>> And of course the Chinese and Brazilian junk too, but I
>> have both
>> those countres completely blocked; all I get is a message
>> that a mail from Y has been deleted.
>
> How do you block Usenet posts from those countries? Where
> am I posting from?
It's not worth my time to look up where you're posting from because I don't
care to waste my time parsing to see where your ISP is and then following to
a machine identifier. You do it; with a little effort, you can do it.
HTH,
Twayne`
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