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Tue, 10 April 2012 08:05

M. Strobel
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Am 10.04.2012 02:17, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 4/9/2012 4:50 PM, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>
>> And this initialization is not needed (or might even prove harmful) when
>> the object is copied rather than created from scratch, because in that
>> case the initialization was already done on the original object and the
>> copy was thus created from an already initialized object and it will
>> "inherit" the initialized state. Instead, there are __clone() and
>> __wakeup() which replace __construct() and can do different
>> initialization tasks depending on how the object was created.
>>
>
> Initialization is NEVER harmful if it is done properly. That's the whole purpose of
> initialization!. wakeup() is NOT a constructor - any more than sleep() is a destructor.

'if done properly' fits everywhere and is just too true to be useful.

In PHP the constructor is called on an object without state (data). So you would
normally in the constructor just write out our data, like setting a counter to zero
or a date to the current time. This would be harmful to do on a 'not new' object.

Now PDO comes in. When getting a query result as object your constructor is called
*after* the properties are set.

I found it quite annoying to have an exception from the rule. But thinking more about
it I found out they had a choice of either calling __construct() after setting the
data, or to define another magic method like __pdoconstruct() to give the programmer
a chance to adapt the init process to the data.

Bottom line is: you just have to know your programming language very well, and test
everything thoroughly. Knowledge of OO principles help a lot, but are often too
general to be operational (like for example the "Open Close Principle").

/Str.

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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 29 March 2012 20:11
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 29 March 2012 23:29
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Sun, 08 April 2012 20:50
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 08 April 2012 21:15
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Sun, 08 April 2012 22:39
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 08 April 2012 23:59
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 09 April 2012 00:28
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 09 April 2012 00:24
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Mon, 09 April 2012 09:29
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 09 April 2012 12:27
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Mon, 09 April 2012 13:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 09 April 2012 16:03
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Mon, 09 April 2012 18:04
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 09 April 2012 18:37
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Mon, 09 April 2012 20:50
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 08:05
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 11:28
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:54
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:10
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:23
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:11
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:30
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:43
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:08
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Wed, 11 April 2012 08:40
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 11:58
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Tim Streater on Tue, 10 April 2012 15:04
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:10
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:18
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:31
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:57
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Tim Streater on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:41
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 15:25
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:16
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 11:44
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:04
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 15:37
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:19
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:44
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:23
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Mon, 09 April 2012 21:03
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:25
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 10:48
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:06
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:22
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:33
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:28
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 22:13
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:53
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:30
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:22
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 10:43
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:11
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:15
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:09
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:25
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:21
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:34
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:00
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:54
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:10
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:31
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:40
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Thu, 12 April 2012 10:00
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