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Re: Dynamic form generation [message #177713 is a reply to message #177711] Mon, 16 April 2012 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On 4/16/2012 4:31 AM, Tony Marston wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle"<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote in message
> news:jmeg9a$5pt$2(at)dont-email(dot)me...
>> On 4/15/2012 3:33 AM, Tony Marston wrote:
>>> "Peter H. Coffin"<hellsop(at)ninehells(dot)com> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnjoj0b7(dot)4ci(dot)hellsop(at)nibelheim(dot)ninehells(dot)com...
>>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:59:52 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > "Charles"<cchamb2(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:6651622.883.1334288601914.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfj25...
>>>> >> Absolutely correct. The database has 34 active and 34 historical
>>>> >> tables
>>>> >> so far, and my guess is that about another dozen or so of each to
>>>> >> create.
>>>> >> I can visualize the relationships between the tables, and I'm
>>>> >> normalizing
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> I go on table structure, but having to write and maintain somewhere
>>>> >> around
>>>> >> 150 scripts each and every time I so much as sneeze (add/remove a
>>>> >> field
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> change a field type in any of the 100 tables) is daunting.
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm just as comfortable with calling a script to do crate each form as
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> need it.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Any suggestions?
>>>> >
>>>> > If you used a proper framework then you wouldn't have to do so much
>>>> > work
>>>> > for
>>>> > a minor database change. If you used radicore all you would have to do
>>>> > is
>>>> > re-import the table's structure into the data dictionary and then
>>>> > export
>>>> > the
>>>> > updated structure to replace the table's structure file. The only time
>>>> > you
>>>> > would need to modify another script would be if you needed to change
>>>> > the
>>>> > screen structure (by modifying a small screen structure file) or a
>>>> > business
>>>> > rule (by modifying that table's class file).
>>>>
>>>> Wow.... All that. All Charles *really* needed to do was actually specify
>>>> what column names he was fetching and 90% of the work he wants to
>>>> eliminate GOES AWAY AUTOMATICALLY.
>>>
>>> Bt what if he has already built built a script (which should be several
>>> scripts by the way, one each for LIST, ADD, ENQUIRE, UPDATE, DELETE and
>>> SEARCH) then he changes the table's structure? Myabe by adding a field,
>>> removing a field, or changing a field's size or type? In a non-framework
>>> world you have to modify every script which references that table - you
>>> have
>>> to change the screen definition, you have to change the validation rules,
>>> and you have to change the code which communicates with the database.
>>> With a
>>> framework like Radicore - which was specifically built for database
>>> applications and not websites - all of that grunt work is eliminated. It
>>> saves time, and time is money.
>>>
>>
>> Not at all true. Ever heard of include(), for instance? And why does he
>> need separate scripts for LIST, ADD, etc.?
>
> Because each of the LIST, ADD, ENQUIRE, UPDATE, DELETE and SEARCH functions
> has a different screen structure, different behaviour, and may need
> different security considerations - somebody may be able to access the LIST,
> ENQUIRE and SEARCH screens, but not the ADD, UPDATE and DELETE screens. It
> is much easier to control access if they are separate
> functions/transactions. Instead of having code inside a huge function you
> have a database-driven Role Based Access Control (RBAC) system built into
> your framework which allows you to turn access ON or OFF at the function
> level simply by updating the database. Another advantage of this method is
> that if you don't have access to a function then it can be edited out of the
> display of menu buttons.
>

So? None of this requires different scripts. Security can easily be
handled via a function call, and the only differences between LIST and
UPDATE are whether the fields are read/write or not. Again, easily
handled in one script. And all of this can easily be handled in a
class, for instance.

I know you believe frameworks are slicker than snot on a doorknob, but
they are not at all the only way to go. And in many cases there are
better ways.

>>> If you have ever built an applicaton which has evolved over the years to
>>> incorporate over 200 databases tables, 350 relationships and 1700 screens
>>> then you would appreciate such a time-saving feature. If, on the other
>>> hand,
>>> you have never built an application which has more than a dozen dinky
>>> little
>>> tables then you are unlikely to be using any sort of framework at all.
>>>
>>
>> A medium sized application. But you don't need a framework. A good
>> design does wonders.
>
> It may be medium to you, but not to many others. A proper framework will
> provide a glot, if not all, of the "plumbing" code for you, so the idea of
> writing an application with several hundreds of tables and thousands of
> transactions WITHOUT a framework where you have to write all that plumbing
> code yourself just strikes me as dumb. An efficient programmer aims to spend
> less time on the "plumbing" code and more time on the "payload".
>

Yes, there are a lot of people here who don't know what a large
application is. But then if the application has "evolved" like you
indicate, I suspect it is highly inefficient in how it works. Such is
what happens when things "evolve" instead of being properly redesigned
when necessary. Frameworks encourage such "evolution".

But I wouldn't even think of using a framework for something like that.
I would use OO techniques. With the right stuff in your personal
libraries, a lot of the work is already done.

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