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Re: Dynamic form generation [message #177835 is a reply to message #177829] Mon, 23 April 2012 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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"Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn" <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>
>> "Jerry Stuckle" wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2012 4:27 AM, Tony Marston wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle"<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jmmauq$9ke$1(at)dont-email(dot)me...
>> <snip>
>>>> >>> You've been doing it that badly all this time?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not according to my fellow developers and paying customers.
>>>> > First rule is that customers don't know anything about good coding.
>>>> > And
>>>> > your fellow developers could easily be as bad as you. No credibility
>>>> > there.
>>>> Delivering code which satisfies the client takes a higher priority than
>>>> writing code which satisfies other programmers. It is not possible to
>>>> write code which satisfies EVERY programmer on the plant as they all
>>>> have different ideas as to what "best practice" actually is.
>>>
>>> It is when you're only doing simple stuff. REAL programmers concentrate
>>> on making their code MAINTAINABLE.
>
> Full ACK. I have never cared if the client would accept or even
> understand
> my code; indeed, if I told my boss that from now on I would be writing
> code
> that way, I would probably be fired on the spot because it does not pay.
> My
> clients so far are not programmers; it is difficult for them to understand
> the basic concepts of programming to begin with.
>
> The client has ordered an application for a price, and they are going to
> get
> the best application that can I can do for that price, with a profit
> margin,
> an error margin, and future maintenance in mind. As a result, my fellow
> developers are going to get the best maintainable code that I can write
> under those conditions (which really is not hard to do once you have
> accustomed yourself to some basic rules and tools of software
> development).
>
>> You have no basis on which to make the statement that my code is
>> unmaintainable. My code has been reviewed by many others, and the vast
>> majority have nothing but compliments.
>
> This is a common fallacy, a self-fulfilling prophecy, that many developers
> try to rationalize (their) bad code quality with. For you cannot know how
> many people have read the code *and* found it so bad that they did not
> care
> to point out its flaws to you. Nor can you know how knowledgable the
> people
> are who have reviewed the code and found it to be good.

The trouble is that there is no objective method of deciding whether
someone's code is "not crap", "mildly crap" or "total crap". It is always
subjective, with the only universal rule being "If it's different from mine
then it's bo8und to be crap!"

If you bother looking at my code you will see that it is properly
modularised, properly commented, has meaningful data names and function
names, and achieves its results as simply as possible. Other programmers
strive to include as many design patters as they can, or as much clever code
as they can in the vain hope that it will impress other programmers. I
follow the KISS principle, which means that people who look my code for the
first time have an easier job than when they look as someone else's "clever"
code.

> However, inevitably there are more people not knowing what they are doing
> than people knowing what they are doing: for any given field, there are
> many
> laymen, fewer intermediates, and very few experts. So the odds are
> against
> that from the mere majority of a randomly selected set of opinions a
> realistic assessment of any subject can be derived. This applies
> especially
> to source code as software development is a very special field. And the
> odds are against that expert in that field would bother complaining about
> bad code of others as they - being skilled in writing good code - would
> simply write the code to solve the problem themselves, if need be, or just
> move on to your competition.

I take exception to people like Jerry Stuckle who are quick to brand my
programming style as crap when they obviously don't understand how it works.
The only thing that they see is that "my way" is different their "their way,
the one true way" therefore it *must* be crap.

You should also remember that I have released my development framework as
open source so that anyone can download it, review it, criticise it, use it
or ignore it. Jerry Stuckle, on the other hand, is too afraid to release his
own wonderful framework to the world, even though he reckons that it is far
superior to mine. Is it because he is too ashamed of his own framework? Is
he afraid that someone (other than me, that is) will brand it as utter crap?

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Tony Marston

http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org

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