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Re: What Jerry Stuckle thinks of PHP programmers [message #177858 is a reply to message #177836]

Tue, 24 April 2012 02:32

Ross McKay
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:10:00 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:

> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote in message
> news:jmu1nc$fui$1(at)dont-email(dot)me...
> <snip>
>> Yea, right. And what is the experience of those programmers? PHP
>> programmers as a whole are not known for their intelligence or competence.
>> In fact, just the opposite is true.
>
> All you PHP programmers in this group now know that Jerry Stuckle, that
> self-proclaimed guru and OO expert, thinks that you are stupid and
> incompetent.
>
> Anyone care to comment?

For a change, I think he might be close to correct. Having dealt with a
large quantity of other people's code, especially some very large
WordPress plugins, I have to say that PHP code quality that I've seen in
the wild is often very poor.

At least a compiled language enforces *some* quality corrections on
one's code, whereas PHP (and also JavaScript) seem to be designed to
help total newbie programmers get the job done. This is good, but it
also leads to piles of excremental code that "work" much in the same way
that Microsoft Access allows newbie database wranglers to build
databases that "work".

Sure, you get bad code in any language, but I sincerely believe that
I've seen more bad PHP code than other bad code (even bad classic ASP
code). Which is not to say that said code didn't "work", for limited
values of "work". The entry level for writing working PHP code is very
low, so you get all comers. Most will learn over time and improve, as we
all continue to do (or most of us anyway, I hope!)

Conversely, I've seen some truly marvellous PHP code.
--
Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia
"There is more to life than simply increasing its speed." - Gandhi

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		Re: Dynamic form generation By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 12 April 2012 04:03
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		Re: Dynamic form generation By: Tony Marston on Sun, 22 April 2012 10:45
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