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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178899 is a reply to message #178898] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 12:17   |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/22/2012 7:06 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:43:23 -0400 Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>
>>
>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>> "see" each other.
>
> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
> as web-browser plugins. Firebug for Firefox is one.
>
>>
>
None of which have anything to do with PHP - which is the subject of
this newsgroup.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178900 is a reply to message #178898] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 22:36 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Robert Heller wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>
>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^
>> "see" each other.
Wrong on both accounts.
> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
> as web-browser plugins. Firebug for Firefox is one.
And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
which can help with PHP debugging:
<http://www.firephp.org/>
The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but
I have not tried any of those yet:
<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
<http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
PointedEars
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178901 is a reply to message #178900] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 23:54 |
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Robert Heller wrote:
>
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>> "see" each other.
>
> Wrong on both accounts.
Only by exception. The rule is as above.
>
>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>> as web-browser plugins. Firebug for Firefox is one.
>
> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
> which can help with PHP debugging:
>
> <http://www.firephp.org/>
>
> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but
> I have not tried any of those yet:
>
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
>
>
> PointedEars
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178903 is a reply to message #178900] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 15:03 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Robert Heller wrote:
>
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>>
>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>> "see" each other.
>
> Wrong on both accounts.
>
>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>> as web-browser plugins. Firebug for Firefox is one.
>
> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
> which can help with PHP debugging:
>
> <http://www.firephp.org/>
>
> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but
> I have not tried any of those yet:
>
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
>
>
> PointedEars
>
ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178904 is a reply to message #178903] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 18:10 |
Scott Johnson
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On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> > i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> > there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>
>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> "see" each other.
>>
>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>
>>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>>> as web-browser plugins. Firebug for Firefox is one.
>>
>> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
>> which can help with PHP debugging:
>>
>> <http://www.firephp.org/>
>>
>> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
>> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer
>> API, but
>> I have not tried any of those yet:
>>
>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
>>
>> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>>
>
> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>
> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>
> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>
> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>
*Gets the microwave popcorn ready
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178905 is a reply to message #178904] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 22:27 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Scott Johnson wrote:
> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>> >> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >
>>>> > PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> > "see" each other.
>>>
>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>
>> [snip mindless full quote]
>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>
>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>
>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>
>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>
> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
PointedEars
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178906 is a reply to message #178905] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 22:41 |
The Natural Philosoph
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>> >>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >> "see" each other.
>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>
>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>
>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>
>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>
> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>
>
> PointedEars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
"Server-side JavaScript
Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
"..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
what the server-side looks like ... "
So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178907 is a reply to message #178906] |
Thu, 23 August 2012 22:43 |
The Natural Philosoph
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> > Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>> >>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>> "see" each other.
>>>> > Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>
> "Server-side JavaScript
>
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> what the server-side looks like ... "
>
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
>
>
I meant to add "as opposed to jerrykins, who is, as usual, wrong, as
*well* as being supremely unhelpful..."
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178909 is a reply to message #178905] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 00:03 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/23/2012 6:27 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>> >>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >> "see" each other.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>
>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>
>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>
>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>
>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>
>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>
> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>
>
> PointedEars
>
No, you don't have an answer because you're wrong - as usual.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178910 is a reply to message #178906] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 00:05 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/23/2012 6:41 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> > Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>> >>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>> "see" each other.
>>>> > Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>
> "Server-side JavaScript
>
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> what the server-side looks like ... "
>
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
>
>
So, answer my questions. Which browsers support PHP? And how many
servers are running javascript?
And most of all - how can PHP see which objects are included in Javascript?
Or is your head where the sun doesn't shine also (it usually is)?
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178911 is a reply to message #178906] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 21:42 |
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Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> > Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
>>>> >>> cannot
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>> "see" each other.
>>>> > Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>
> "Server-side JavaScript
>
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> what the server-side looks like ... "
>
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
natively seen by the server and vice versa.
It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178912 is a reply to message #178911] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 22:22 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
> Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> >> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>>> cannot "see" each other.
>>>> >> Wrong on both accounts.
> […]
> I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> natively seen by the server and vice versa.
Of course, that is mistakenly assuming that I stated such nonsense in the
first place. Automatic line-wrapping when they were quoted, moved the
markings and obscured the message. Fixed here (as always, use a fixed-width
font on Usenet to see it). I am not entirely sure what you mean by "client
structure" and "natively seen", though.
As for Wikipedia, I must recommend extreme caution particularly on this
subject. Due to the intended beginner's language nature of ECMAScript
implementations, and a stream of beginners getting overconfident because of
early success, more than 90% written about this subject, and using the
corresponding languages, on the Web and elsewhere is utter nonsense. (This
includes books.) Unfortunately, the Wikipedia articles about it are no
exception, and given the number of wannabes, correction of them on my part,
for example, is not likely to have a lasting effect. If you want to learn
something about this, subscribe to comp.lang.javascript instead.
> It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
I am not sure what the second part of this statement is supposed to mean
with regard to this dispute: This (the Web) certainly is a good example of
the client-server _model_ (the browser providing the HTTP client, the Web
server the HTTP server), and there is no *implicit* sharing of data space
there. Only the first part of the statement is certainly correct.
PointedEars
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who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178914 is a reply to message #178911] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 23:37 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
> Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> >> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
>>>> >>>> cannot
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>>> "see" each other.
>>>> >> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> > [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> > ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>> >
>>>> > So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> > And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>> >
>>>> > And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>> >
>>>> > You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>>
>>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>>
>> "Server-side JavaScript
>>
>> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>>
>> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>>
>> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>> what the server-side looks like ... "
>>
>> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
> I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> natively seen by the server and vice versa.
> It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
>
Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends.
However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't. He'll
just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.
But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where
he does the same thing).
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178915 is a reply to message #178911] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 23:45 |
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Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
> Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> >> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
>>>> >>>> cannot
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>>> "see" each other.
>>>> >> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> > [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> > ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>> >
>>>> > So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> > And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>> >
>>>> > And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>> >
>>>> > You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>>
>> "Server-side JavaScript
>>
>> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>>
>> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>>
>> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>> what the server-side looks like ... "
>>
>> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
> I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> natively seen by the server and vice versa.
Sure, but is not the issue
> It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
The issue is using a server side javascript to serve pages and using a
cliunt side PHP that is tranaferred to the server for execution
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178916 is a reply to message #178914] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 00:30 |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:37:00 -0400, in comp.lang.php Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net>
<k1936v$kjh$1(at)dont-email(dot)me> wrote:
> | On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
> | > Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
> | >
> | >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> | >>> Scott Johnson wrote:
> | >>>
> | >>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> | >>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> | >>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
> | >>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
> | >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
> | >>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
> | >>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
> | >>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
> | >>>>>>>> cannot
> | >>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | >>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
> | >>>>>>>> "see" each other.
> | >>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
> | >>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
> | >>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
> | >>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
> | >>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
> | >>>
> | >>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> PointedEars
> | >>
> | >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
> | >>
> | >> "Server-side JavaScript
> | >>
> | >> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> | >> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> | >> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> | >> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> | >> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> | >> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
> | >>
> | >> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
> | >>
> | >> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> | >> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> | >> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> | >> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> | >> what the server-side looks like ... "
> | >>
> | >> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
> | >
> | > I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> | > natively seen by the server and vice versa.
> | > It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> | > data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
> | >
> |
> | Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends.
> | However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't. He'll
> | just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.
> |
> | But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where
> | he does the same thing).
Both of you are right and wrong.
If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
http://www.firephp.org/
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178918 is a reply to message #178916] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 02:39 |
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On 8/24/2012 8:30 PM, Jeff North wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:37:00 -0400, in comp.lang.php Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net>
> <k1936v$kjh$1(at)dont-email(dot)me> wrote:
>
>> | On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
>> | > Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>> | >
>> | >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> | >>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>> | >>>
>> | >>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> | >>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> | >>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>> | >>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>> | >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>> | >>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>> | >>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>> | >>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They
>> | >>>>>>>> cannot
>> | >>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> | >>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>> | >>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>> | >>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>> | >>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>> | >>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>> | >>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>> | >>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>> | >>>
>> | >>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>> PointedEars
>> | >>
>> | >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>> | >>
>> | >> "Server-side JavaScript
>> | >>
>> | >> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>> | >> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>> | >> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>> | >> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>> | >> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>> | >> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>> | >>
>> | >> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>> | >>
>> | >> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>> | >> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>> | >> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>> | >> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>> | >> what the server-side looks like ... "
>> | >>
>> | >> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>> | >
>> | > I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
>> | > natively seen by the server and vice versa.
>> | > It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
>> | > data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
>> | >
>> |
>> | Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends.
>> | However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't. He'll
>> | just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.
>> |
>> | But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where
>> | he does the same thing).
>
> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
> http://www.firephp.org/
>
Did you read what it actually does? Do you understand it?
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178919 is a reply to message #178916] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 11:17 |
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Jeff North wrote:
> Both of you are right and wrong.
That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
> http://www.firephp.org/
Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
followup.
Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum.
PointedEars
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178920 is a reply to message #178919] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 13:38 |
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On 8/25/2012 7:17 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jeff North wrote:
>
>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>
>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>> http://www.firephp.org/
>
> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
> followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
> followup.
>
> Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum.
>
>
> PointedEars
>
Yes, you have once again proven you have no idea what you're talking
about. All you can do is google for some keywords and post things -
without understanding just what they do.
Such is the life of an ignorant troll.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178921 is a reply to message #178919] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 18:34 |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:17:31 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jeff North wrote:
>
>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>
>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>> http://www.firephp.org/
>
> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
> followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
> followup.
Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
the point you're trying to argue against.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178922 is a reply to message #178921] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 18:59 |
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On 8/25/2012 2:34 PM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:17:31 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jeff North wrote:
>>
>>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>>
>> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>>
>>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>>> http://www.firephp.org/
>>
>> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
>> followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
>> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
>> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
>> followup.
>
> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
> of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
> FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
> may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
> client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
> the point you're trying to argue against.
>
Peter, we already know he doesn't know what he's talking about - but he
insists on continuing to prove it.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178923 is a reply to message #178921] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 19:13 |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:34:09 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
> of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
> FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
> may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
> client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
> the point you're trying to argue against.
Just so we're clear, when I'm saying "as a client", I'm saying FireBug
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178924 is a reply to message #178923] |
Sat, 25 August 2012 20:23 |
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On 8/25/2012 3:13 PM, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:34:09 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
>> of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
>> FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
>> may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
>> client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
>> the point you're trying to argue against.
>
> Just so we're clear, when I'm saying "as a client", I'm saying FireBug
> is the client.
>
Actually, I think it can be argued that Firefox is the client. Firebug
is just an add-on which extends the capabilities of Firefox.
But it still doesn't run PHP code.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178929 is a reply to message #178903] |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> > i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> > there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>
>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> "see" each other.
>>
>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>
>
> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Who? ;-)
>
> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
I'm actually no "great one", but I can answer this question: at least on
all browsers, which implement the NPAPI. I'm not aware of any
PHP-Browser-Plugin, but it can be written, so PHP *can* run on browsers.
> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
That's not the point. You've said "PHP runs on the server; Javascript
runs on the client", what might be easily lead to the wrong assumption,
that "Javascript" can't run on the server.
> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
the source code of the message).
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178930 is a reply to message #178929] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 14:41 |
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On 8/26/2012 9:46 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> >> there any tool to see what object contains
>>>> >
>>>> > PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client. They cannot
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> > "see" each other.
>>>
>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Who? ;-)
>>
>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>
> I'm actually no "great one", but I can answer this question: at least on
> all browsers, which implement the NPAPI. I'm not aware of any
> PHP-Browser-Plugin, but it can be written, so PHP *can* run on browsers.
>
The question is not if PHP *can* run on the browser. The question is
which browsers *run* PHP.
>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>
> That's not the point. You've said "PHP runs on the server; Javascript
> runs on the client", what might be easily lead to the wrong assumption,
> that "Javascript" can't run on the server.
>
Again, the question is not how many servers *can* run Javascript. How
many servers DO RUN Javascript?
>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>
> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
> the source code of the message).
>
> Sincerely,
>
No, but that was the original question, wasn't it?
But Pointed Head did indicate I was wrong on two accounts. And you
haven't said anything to prove otherwise.
IOW, he just opened his fat trap to hear himself talk, as usual. And,
as usual, he's showing his ignorance (as are you).
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178931 is a reply to message #178930] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 15:42 |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/26/2012 9:46 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>> and is
>>>> >>> there any tool to see what object contains
[snip]
>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>
>> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
>> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
>> the source code of the message).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>
> No, but that was the original question, wasn't it?
I'm not sure about that. In fact the OP didn't even mention PHP. Well,
he posted on c.l.php, but it might well have been the wrong newsgroup. I
*guess* the OP just wanted to know some way to inspect JS objects, what
was already answered by Robert. But I may be wrong with this guess, as
I'm no native English speaker (what's probably quite obvious).
> But Pointed Head did indicate I was wrong on two accounts. And you
> haven't said anything to prove otherwise.
Actually I've just answered the questions *you* had asked (even if the
were rhetorical). I cannot prove neither of you right or wrong. The
statement "PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client." is
not true in every case, even if it's typically true for PHP development.
And I won't argue, if the name "Javascript" is correct in this context,
or if one should use "ECMAScript" or point out that it's called
"JScript" on IE.
> IOW, he just opened his fat trap to hear himself talk, as usual.
I can't acknowledge that statement. ISTM Thomas has quite some knowledge
about web development, and I have learned from him, as I have from you.
> And, as usual, he's showing his ignorance (as are you).
Would you have replied, if somebody had called you "Jerry Struggle",
"stoopid" and "O great one"?
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178932 is a reply to message #178929] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 15:35 |
Peter H. Coffin
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:46:31 +0200, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Who? ;-)
>>
>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>
> I'm actually no "great one", but I can answer this question: at least on
> all browsers, which implement the NPAPI. I'm not aware of any
> PHP-Browser-Plugin, but it can be written, so PHP *can* run on browsers.
>
>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>
> That's not the point. You've said "PHP runs on the server; Javascript
> runs on the client", what might be easily lead to the wrong assumption,
> that "Javascript" can't run on the server.
Perhaps this would be better phrased as "generally doesn't" rather than
as "theoretically could, if someone were to write and install
special-purpose code in order to do so." The point of the vast majoritiy
fo the discussion here is (aside from the nits that pointy Tommy
and a couple others try to pick) is whether something can be done
for/with J. Random Browser, using a typical load or something someone
could reasonably make into a requirement to us a web app.
>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>
> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
> the source code of the message).
That was the point of the original post, to which Jerry said "no, it
can't" and Thomas said "It sure can!" and linked to something that
didn't do that.
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modern technology that some of these fsckwits still draw breath,
much less a paycheck.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178933 is a reply to message #178932] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 16:53 |
Christoph Becker
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Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:46:31 +0200, Christoph Becker wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Who? ;-)
>>>
>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>
>> I'm actually no "great one", but I can answer this question: at least on
>> all browsers, which implement the NPAPI. I'm not aware of any
>> PHP-Browser-Plugin, but it can be written, so PHP *can* run on browsers.
>>
>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>
>> That's not the point. You've said "PHP runs on the server; Javascript
>> runs on the client", what might be easily lead to the wrong assumption,
>> that "Javascript" can't run on the server.
>
> Perhaps this would be better phrased as "generally doesn't" rather than
> as "theoretically could, if someone were to write and install
> special-purpose code in order to do so." The point of the vast majoritiy
> fo the discussion here is (aside from the nits that pointy Tommy
> and a couple others try to pick) is whether something can be done
> for/with J. Random Browser, using a typical load or something someone
> could reasonably make into a requirement to us a web app.
>
>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>
>> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
>> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
>> the source code of the message).
>
> That was the point of the original post, to which Jerry said "no, it
> can't" and Thomas said "It sure can!" and linked to something that
> didn't do that.
Thomas didn't say: "it sure can". Please see his caret markers: these
clearly indicate, that he regards only the statement "PHP runs on the
server; Javascript runs on the browser" as wrong. I'm not sure, though,
what he meant with "on two accounts" as he set 3 markers.
The hint about FirePHP was an addition to Robert, who pointed out the
developer tools of the browsers (FireBug etc.) And it was quite valuable
(at least for me), as I didn't know that there's a port to Chrome.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178935 is a reply to message #178931] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 18:02 |
The Natural Philosoph
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Christoph Becker wrote:
> Would you have replied, if somebody had called you "Jerry Struggle",
> "stoopid" and "O great one"?
>
Oh definitely. Jerrykins Stucklehead ALWAYS has the last word.
It was fun for a while, but eventually its just boring.
--
Ineptocracy
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178936 is a reply to message #178921] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 18:32 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:17:31 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Jeff North wrote:
>>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>>
>>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>>> http://www.firephp.org/
>>
>> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
>> followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
>> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
>> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
>> followup.
>
> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that.
Pardon?
> FirePHP is a bundle of code that allows PHP programs running on a server
> to send stuff to FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a
> client. Which may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server
> programs and client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely
There still is no Javascript. Regardless, originally _Firebug_'s FirePHP
extension (now also supported elsewhere) supports debugging the interaction
between PHP server applications and the client side; not only and not
necessarily ECMAScript implementations on the client side. That's a
"however", which I also meant in my first followup, if you cared to read it.
> supporting the point you're trying to argue against.
Nonsense. Obviously you have not even understood, let alone read my
argument.
PointedEars
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Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7(at)news(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk> (2004)
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178937 is a reply to message #178923] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 18:33 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:34:09 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
>> of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
>> FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
>> may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
>> client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
>> the point you're trying to argue against.
>
> Just so we're clear, when I'm saying "as a client", I'm saying FireBug
> is the client.
Still wrong.
PointedEars
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(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178938 is a reply to message #178933] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 18:47 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Christoph Becker wrote:
> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> That was the point of the original post, to which Jerry said "no, it
>> can't" and Thomas said "It sure can!" and linked to something that
>> didn't do that.
>
> Thomas didn't say: "it sure can". Please see his caret markers: these
> clearly indicate, that he regards only the statement "PHP runs on the
> server; Javascript runs on the browser" as wrong.
Exactly. It is an unfortunate truth that more often than not the people who
obviously know the least about a topic feel compelled to display their
ignorance in public, making provably false statements and giving misleading
advice. Particularly with ECMAScript implementations.
> I'm not sure, though, what he meant with "on two accounts" as he set 3
> markers.
They were actually two, the second one in a separate line, which marks the
misnomer, "Javascript". You can find more about that on
<http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>; the problem is off-topic here, but needed
to be pointed out as well.
> The hint about FirePHP was an addition to Robert, who pointed out the
> developer tools of the browsers (FireBug etc.) And it was quite valuable
> (at least for me), as I didn't know that there's a port to Chrome.
It is acceptable to see that at least one person managed to understand what
I meant. Of course, that one person also had the intelligence not to fall
for the resident name-calling troll that started all this nonsense. Thank
you.
PointedEars
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realism: HTML 4.01 Strict
evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
madness: XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178941 is a reply to message #178933] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 21:59 |
Tim Streater
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In article <k1dkaq$5k3$1(at)speranza(dot)aioe(dot)org>,
Christoph Becker <cmbecker69(at)gmx(dot)de> wrote:
> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:46:31 +0200, Christoph Becker wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> ROFLMAO! "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> Who? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>
>>> I'm actually no "great one", but I can answer this question: at least on
>>> all browsers, which implement the NPAPI. I'm not aware of any
>>> PHP-Browser-Plugin, but it can be written, so PHP *can* run on browsers.
>>>
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>
>>> That's not the point. You've said "PHP runs on the server; Javascript
>>> runs on the client", what might be easily lead to the wrong assumption,
>>> that "Javascript" can't run on the server.
>>
>> Perhaps this would be better phrased as "generally doesn't" rather than
>> as "theoretically could, if someone were to write and install
>> special-purpose code in order to do so." The point of the vast majoritiy
>> fo the discussion here is (aside from the nits that pointy Tommy
>> and a couple others try to pick) is whether something can be done
>> for/with J. Random Browser, using a typical load or something someone
>> could reasonably make into a requirement to us a web app.
>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>
>>> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
>>> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
>>> the source code of the message).
>>
>> That was the point of the original post, to which Jerry said "no, it
>> can't" and Thomas said "It sure can!" and linked to something that
>> didn't do that.
>
> Thomas didn't say: "it sure can". Please see his caret markers: these
> clearly indicate, that he regards only the statement "PHP runs on the
> server; Javascript runs on the browser" as wrong. I'm not sure, though,
> what he meant with "on two accounts" as he set 3 markers.
>
> The hint about FirePHP was an addition to Robert, who pointed out the
> developer tools of the browsers (FireBug etc.) And it was quite valuable
> (at least for me), as I didn't know that there's a port to Chrome.
A port of what?
--
Tim
"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178944 is a reply to message #178936] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 23:49 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/26/2012 2:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:17:31 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jeff North wrote:
>>>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>>> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>>>
>>>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>>>> http://www.firephp.org/
>>>
>>> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
>>> followup two days ago already. However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
>>> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
>>> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
>>> followup.
>>
>> Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that.
>
> Pardon?
>
>> FirePHP is a bundle of code that allows PHP programs running on a server
>> to send stuff to FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a
>> client. Which may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server
>> programs and client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely
>
> There still is no Javascript. Regardless, originally _Firebug_'s FirePHP
> extension (now also supported elsewhere) supports debugging the interaction
> between PHP server applications and the client side; not only and not
> necessarily ECMAScript implementations on the client side. That's a
> "however", which I also meant in my first followup, if you cared to read it.
>
>> supporting the point you're trying to argue against.
>
> Nonsense. Obviously you have not even understood, let alone read my
> argument.
>
>
> PointedEars
>
Everyone's read your arguments, Pointed Head. And everyone's seen how
wrong you are.
You should have quit before your first post. You just continue to show
your ignorance.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178945 is a reply to message #178931] |
Sun, 26 August 2012 23:52 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 8/26/2012 11:42 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 8/26/2012 9:46 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> > Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>> and is
>>>> >>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>
> [snip]
>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>
>>> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
>>> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
>>> the source code of the message).
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>
>> No, but that was the original question, wasn't it?
>
> I'm not sure about that. In fact the OP didn't even mention PHP. Well,
> he posted on c.l.php, but it might well have been the wrong newsgroup. I
> *guess* the OP just wanted to know some way to inspect JS objects, what
> was already answered by Robert. But I may be wrong with this guess, as
> I'm no native English speaker (what's probably quite obvious).
>
He posted in a PHP newsgroup, so my answer was in relation to PHP. If
he wanted something else, he should have been more clear (or posted in a
more appropriate newsgroup).
>> But Pointed Head did indicate I was wrong on two accounts. And you
>> haven't said anything to prove otherwise.
>
> Actually I've just answered the questions *you* had asked (even if the
> were rhetorical). I cannot prove neither of you right or wrong. The
> statement "PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client." is
> not true in every case, even if it's typically true for PHP development.
> And I won't argue, if the name "Javascript" is correct in this context,
> or if one should use "ECMAScript" or point out that it's called
> "JScript" on IE.
>
Nope. The question was real. How many browsers can run PHP code? And
how many web servers actually run Javascript (I'm not counting wanna-be
developers who are running 50 hit/mo. sites out of their basement, where
49 of those hits are from the site owner).
>> IOW, he just opened his fat trap to hear himself talk, as usual.
>
> I can't acknowledge that statement. ISTM Thomas has quite some knowledge
> about web development, and I have learned from him, as I have from you.
>
Not in this group he isn't. And not in several other groups, where he's
also recognized as a troll.
>> And, as usual, he's showing his ignorance (as are you).
>
> Would you have replied, if somebody had called you "Jerry Struggle",
> "stoopid" and "O great one"?
>
I've been called worse. And by better people than you.
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| Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue [message #178946 is a reply to message #178945] |
Mon, 27 August 2012 00:59 |
Christoph Becker
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/26/2012 11:42 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2012 9:46 AM, Christoph Becker wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> >> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> >>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>> >>>>> and is
>>>> >>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> > And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> Actually it can't. But Thomas didn't say so (please note the carets,
>>>> which might not be aligned properly in the news reader, but are so in
>>>> the source code of the message).
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but that was the original question, wasn't it?
>>
>> I'm not sure about that. In fact the OP didn't even mention PHP. Well,
>> he posted on c.l.php, but it might well have been the wrong newsgroup. I
>> *guess* the OP just wanted to know some way to inspect JS objects, what
>> was already answered by Robert. But I may be wrong with this guess, as
>> I'm no native English speaker (what's probably quite obvious).
>>
>
> He posted in a PHP newsgroup, so my answer was in relation to PHP. If
> he wanted something else, he should have been more clear (or posted in a
> more appropriate newsgroup).
>
>
>>> But Pointed Head did indicate I was wrong on two accounts. And you
>>> haven't said anything to prove otherwise.
>>
>> Actually I've just answered the questions *you* had asked (even if the
>> were rhetorical). I cannot prove neither of you right or wrong. The
>> statement "PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client." is
>> not true in every case, even if it's typically true for PHP development.
>> And I won't argue, if the name "Javascript" is correct in this context,
>> or if one should use "ECMAScript" or point out that it's called
>> "JScript" on IE.
>>
>
> Nope. The question was real. How many browsers can run PHP code?
*can*? AISB: at least all that implement the NPAPI, assuming that a PHP
browser plugin *can* be (or already have been?) written.
> And
> how many web servers actually run Javascript (I'm not counting wanna-be
> developers who are running 50 hit/mo. sites out of their basement, where
> 49 of those hits are from the site owner).
See e.g. <http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-js/all/all>.
w3techs's only counting the top 1,000,000 sites. So currently 250 of
the top million websites are running Javascript (assumably all of them
have far more than 50 hits/mo.). And please note the trend: in 9 months
the usage has doubled!
>>> IOW, he just opened his fat trap to hear himself talk, as usual.
>>
>> I can't acknowledge that statement. ISTM Thomas has quite some knowledge
>> about web development, and I have learned from him, as I have from you.
>>
>
> Not in this group he isn't. And not in several other groups, where he's
> also recognized as a troll.
>
>>> And, as usual, he's showing his ignorance (as are you).
>>
>> Would you have replied, if somebody had called you "Jerry Struggle",
>> "stoopid" and "O great one"?
>>
>
> I've been called worse. And by better people than you.
My apologies, as it seems I have not expressed myself properly. I
didn't mean to insult you in any way. This was merely meant as a
"translation" (sorry, I'm lacking the appropriate word) of your reply to
Thomas, which might have been appropriate as reply to a troll -- which
IMHO Thomas isn't -- but every reader should decide for himself.
And yes, I'm quite aware that there are better people than me. Thanks
for reminding me.
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