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Sat, 30 March 2013 22:29

The Natural Philosoph
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On 30/03/13 22:14, Christoph Becker wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 30/03/13 20:26, Christoph Becker wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> so what happens in a typographic ligature like 'ᴁ'?
>>>>
>>>> I think you are making a rod for your back here.
>>>>
>>>> The storage requirements are exact specific and useful.
>>>
>>> Useful for what purpose?
>>
>> well malloc(strlen(str)) in C for a start, and picking single bytes out
>> of strings too.
>
> C's strlen() returning the number of bytes is perfectly fine. But in
> PHP I don't need malloc(), and I have not yet found a reason to pick out
> single bytes out of a *character* string (as opposed to a *byte* string,
> which are different concepts IMO), except for emulating some UTF-8 aware
> functionality.
>
> Consider that programming in PHP happens on a higher level than in C
> (e.g. one doesn't need to allocate heap memory, nor does one have to
> free it). This results in the ability to write programs faster, that
> run slower. But the fact, that PHP's string functions work on bytes
> (opposed to characters), partially annihilates the advantage[1]. That
> is particularly sad, as PHP has its strengths for web development and
> UTF-8 is the de facto standard for the web.
>
> [1] Say, I need a wordwrap() for sending UTF-8 encoded emails. Sigh...
> BTW: <http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.wordwrap.php> says:
>
> | wordwrap — Wraps a string to a given number of characters
>
> what's obviously wrong; it wraps a string to a given number of bytes.
>
well exactly. Which is why I do all serious programming in C - it may be
a pedantic bitch of a language, but at least when its done, I know that
some quirk of it is not going to deliver an entirely unexpected result.

Like wot happened to me in Javashite, where some comparisons of what I
thought were numbers, was cast to strings by one implementation and
numbers by the other..

How I longed for if(int(a)==(int(b)) or even atoi(b)....

There are to approaches to life: make it easy for idiots and wonder why
they still manage to fuck it up, or make the rules extremely clear and
teach people what they are. And don't let them loose until they have
learnt them

If all the money spent on road signs traffic lights and white lines had
been spent on teaching people to drive...

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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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		mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: oldyork90 on Wed, 20 March 2013 03:49
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 20 March 2013 10:42
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: oldyork90 on Wed, 20 March 2013 14:09
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 20 March 2013 14:29
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: The Cat in the Hat on Wed, 20 March 2013 21:58
		UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) By: Christoph Becker on Wed, 20 March 2013 22:45
		Re: UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) By: The Cat in the Hat on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:13
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:31
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 09:11
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: adrian on Thu, 21 March 2013 14:31
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 21 March 2013 16:22
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 17:05
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:17
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Christoph Becker on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:55
		Unicode support (was: UTF-8 charset) By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 01:16
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 12:57
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 13:25
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:33
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:55
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 18:04
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:26
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 21:26
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 22:14
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 22:29
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:10
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:41
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 17:12
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 19:18
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:05
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:19
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:06
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Tue, 02 April 2013 17:59
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:29
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 22 March 2013 10:50
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Fri, 22 March 2013 08:46
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 17:36
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: adrian on Thu, 21 March 2013 18:22
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: Peter H. Coffin on Thu, 21 March 2013 20:00
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:47
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:20
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Scott Johnson on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:39
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 21 March 2013 03:29
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