| Re: Mock HTTP servers for unit tests. [message #185689 is a reply to message #185686] |
Wed, 30 April 2014 17:35   |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 4/30/2014 12:40 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
> On 4/29/14 5:50 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 4/29/2014 8:35 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>> You do this nearly every single time I post to this newsgroup. You
>>> don't understand my requirements, and I do. Stop trying to read into
>>> it. I asked about Mock server, and provide an example that looks like
>>> it should work. I have asked for experience with said mock server, or
>>> other similar systems.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I understand WHAT YOU SAY. I told you how EXPERIENCED PROGRAMMERS do
>> it. And I probably have more programming experience (going on 47 years
>> now) than you've been alive. And I've probably worked on more projects,
>> from one programmer to a couple of hundred programmers, than you will
>> ever dream of.
> You might have more years under your belt, that doesn't mean you're
> better than me. I've got 24 years of programming experience. I've
> developed many things from scratch, alone and in teams, including
> enterprise applications, large scale websites, graphics drivers, physics
> simulators, ray tracers, CPU emulators. I've had successful projects,
> and I've had failed projects. I've written complete applications in C,
> C++, Java, Assembly, PHP.
>
It also doesn't mean I am NOT better than you. I've been consulting for
a lot of big companies in the last 24 years - most of them from the
Fortune 500 list. By the time you started programming, I already had 13
years with IBM and had been programming for 10 years before that.
You may *think* you know how to test. But your reply shows otherwise.
> I tell you none of this to receive validation or kudos. Only to let you
> know the context of my question. I'm not budding young programmer; I'm
> an experienced veteran. When I say I want a Mock HTTP server, I know
> that's exactly what I want, and it will do what I want.
>
A mock server will give you *some* good results. But it will not
duplicate real world situations, nor will it give you *all* of the
results you want.
> The reason I looked to Google and here for such a mock-server is that
> I'm experienced enough to know I don't want to build one from scratch.
> Even though I'm capable enough to do so.
>
And you didn't find much because experienced programmers don't use them.
> I want one I can easily integrate into my project so that the dozens of
> other developers that depend on my code-base can benefit with the
> minimum amount of work on their part. I don't want them to have to set
> up a new Apache or Nginx instance just to be able to run Unit Tests. *I*
> don't want to set up an instance just for unit tests.
It is quite easy to set up an Apache server. You can even include a
pre-configured one in your package for others to install - very easily.
But you're looking for shortcuts. They don't exist in *good* testing.
>>
>> And I've seen more people like you who don't know what they're doing -
>> but want someone to validate it. It ain't gonna happen here.
> That's not what I'm asking for. I've validated the approach I'm taking.
>>
>> And if you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
> I'm asking for options of Mock HTTP servers. You gave your opinion. I
> read it, considered it, and I have decided it isn't the right fit. You
> needn't reply further.
And I'm trying to tell you why you're off base. However, your mind is
made up. You don't want to be bothered with the facts.
>>
>> Another option wold be for you to listen to experience - but I know that
>> won't happen. You already have the answers.
>
> I gave my reasons why your solution didn't work for me. It may work for
> others in smaller companies with fewer developers. I answer to about a
> dozen different *teams* of developers, so I want to provide the solution
> as self-encapsulated as possible.
>
Yes, basically you said you're too lazy to do it right. A little work
and the solution can be self-encapsulated.
> Thanks for your input. I do appreciate the advice you gave in the first
> reply, even though it wasn't right for my situation.
>
> Unless you have experience with *mock* servers which meet my
> requirements, you need not reply further.
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel.
>
>
No, I don't have experience with mock servers because I test things the
right way.
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