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Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts [message #185912 is a reply to message #185902] Wed, 14 May 2014 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On 5/14/2014 5:18 AM, crankypuss wrote:
> On 05/13/2014 06:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/13/2014 8:26 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2014 6:03 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Depends what you're doing. My app has 74 PHP scripts, some of which do
>>>> > things like communicate with remote hosts, rotate logs, move files
>>>> > around, read/write a variety of SQLite databases. Doubtless all this
>>>> > could be done in C, but why should I bother.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, Tim. I have a number of scripts which do everything from
>>>> backing up files and databases to parsing email messages and updating
>>>> spam filters.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I *could* do it in C - but why bother? And I *could* do it in
>>>> Linux scripts - but then I'd just have to redo them for Windblows.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I could use Perl or other OS-agnostic scripting languages,
>>>> but why bother?
>>>>
>>>> PHP is great for a lot of things. People who think it's only good for
>>>> web work are not aware of all of the possibilities.
>>>
>>> People figure out the language that best fits their personalities, and
>>> run
>>> with it.
>>>
>>> I don't care if it is C, Perl, Erlang, Haskell, brainfuck, PHP, Python,
>>> shell script, Java, Ruby, C#, or C++. By now they overlap about
>>> 70% to 99% in functionality, if you count the supporting libraries.
>>>
>>> Use what makes *you* feel productive. For me, that is currently C++,
>>> one of
>>> the most flexible languages ever.
>>>
>>
>> I agree it depends on the situation. But the language needs to be what
>> the JOB requires - not what makes you feel productive.
>
> Yes, but in addition to a language's being capable of doing the job,
> it's also convenient not to be unproductive. <g> Both aspects seem to
> be necessary, capability and "language ergonomics".
>

Productivity is a part of using the right language for the job. I would
never try to write a Linux device driver in PHP or Java, for instance.
Nor would I write an Android app in C.

>> Along with PHP, I also do C (almost 30 years), c++ (25 years), Java (10
>> years) and other languages. The language I use is completely dependent
>> on the job.
>>
>> For instance - C++ is nice, but doesn't work well with Linux Device
>> Drivers. You're better off using C for that. And it can't be as easily
>> modified and changed as PHP, which works great as a scripting language.
>> I would never, for instance, use C++ to do the SPAM email parsing and
>> updating; PHP has tools which making parsing emails easy, unlike C++.
>> But at the same time I would never try to write a GUI program in PHP.
>
> I have a number of fullscreen text-based applications written in PHP,
> but if it came down to having to draw every pixel I'd probably want to
> brush up on C or C++ because those are the languages for which
> pixel-based GUI support libraries exist (not that I'm much impressed
> with the results of using those libraries as exhibited by gnome2).
>

Those are possibilities. But if I needed a graphic application I would
use a graphic interface instead of trying to do everything myself. It
would affect the language that I chose, but would not be the *only*
criteria for that language.

> Most of the whizbang flashies that are implemented as parts of "GUI"
> applications are unnecessary anyway if there is adequate support for a
> good menu system (which mostly, there isn't). And the idea of using a
> mouse for everything by dragging this or that icon from hither to yon,
> or double clicking on an icon, is an oversimplification imo that has
> caused grievous damage to the computing world as a whole. At the same
> time the ability to click on a link in html is one of its great
> benefits, and flyovers can be very helpful.
>

Simplification is good. YOU may not like it, but hundreds of millions
of computer users do. And that's who these apps are designed for.

> All that's mostly opinion, and only mentioned because you said you'd
> never attempt a GUI application in PHP, and I wanted to point out that
> it isn't so much because of PHP itself that your choice there is
> sensible (though drawing individual pixels in an interpreted language is
> somewhat questionable), but because there's simply no good support for
> writing GUI applications in PHP.
>

A bit of a misunderstanding here - sorry, I wasn't clear. I would never
build an application in PHP - GUI or not. It's great for scripts, but
too wide open for my tastes. I prefer the ability to compartmentalize
my code more as in C, C++ and Java. Plus, compiled languages are faster.

> That's as it is, but there's no law of the universe which prohibits such
> support from being developed for PHP or some PHP-derivative.

There is a GUI library with a PHP interface PHP (GTK). I haven't tried
it, but I would if I had a short script which needed a GUI.
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