My military mind tells me that this is something I should be able to do, the documentation tells me it can be done; I have just not been able to do it in the past so I quit trying.

So I will attack from a different direction, both the witcher.us and witchsbytchin.com are brand spanking new installs with no backups restored to them, so I attempted to log in to the admin panels on them using the same information as I did for Piasa, INSTANT SUCCESS, on both!

This is the 1st time to my recollection I have been able to access the admin control with out going through the front door so this is really great from my point of view.

That tells me that this problem has and is passed along in the restored backups I have been using, since WitchsBytchin had the same error when I I originally went to upgrade, which is why I dumped the back up and settled for a new install to begin with.

If that is correct it means the problem has existed since Oct 2008 on WitchsBytchin and since perhaps mid to late 2007 on piasa.

This may be my own fault as the result of my experimenting with functions or some other issue.

But I am determined that it will stop here!

Be advised regarding our group zero discussion yesterday, that WitchsBytchin has the Group zero displayed, new account registration is turned on and it goes away when turned off, this is a new install of 2.8.1.

But that is a gremlin I can squash later.