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Re: Lookup zip by IP address [message #172952 is a reply to message #172944]

Sat, 12 March 2011 23:28

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On 3/12/2011 2:02 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 3/12/2011 11:35 AM, Bill B wrote:
>> On 3/12/2011 10:02 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2011 9:16 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
>>>> In article<ilfs0n$3ga$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
>>>> Jerry Stuckle<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > For the record, IPv4 and IPv6 refer ONLY to the number of bytes in the
>>>> > IP address. They have NOTHING to do with the protocol itself
>>>>
>>>> Actually, IPv4 and IPv6 *are* completely different (although related)
>>>> protocols. For sure, the most obvious difference between them is the
>>>> length of the addresses, but there are other differences as well. The
>>>> header formats are different, and there are fundamental differences in
>>>> how they deal with options, routing, MTU, traffic flows, etc. Wikipedia
>>>> does a decent job comparing the two
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6#Comparison_to_IPv4).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course there have to be minor differences in the headers to identify
>>> whether they're using IPv4 or IPv6. And there have been some minor
>>> changes with the routing, etc - but those could easily have been
>>> implemented in IPv4, also. They just weren't.
>>>
>>>> > IPv4 was heavily used by Arpanet back in the 1960's - which would
>>>> > have been VERY hard to do if it hadn't been invented until 1981.
>>>>
>>>> To the best of my knowledge, the first RFC describing what we now call
>>>> IPv4 was RFC 760, published in January 1980. This was updated by RFC
>>>> 791, published in September 1981. I'm not sure when the first
>>>> experimental versions were deployed, but it's absurd to say that IPv4
>>>> was in use (heavy or otherwise) in the 1960s.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then what was I using in the early 70's while in college? And what was I
>>> working on in the late 70's when I worked for IBM?
>>>
>>> Arpanet used TCP/IP, and was in existence in the 60's. And it used 4
>>> byte addresses.
>>>
>>> RFC's came about LONG after Arpanet was developed.
>>>
>>>> > I never hear anyone (except you) use IP to refer to an address.
>>>> > Everyone else uses the term "ip address" - which is correct.
>>>>
>>>> People often say "IP" when they mean "IP address" in casual
>>>> conversation. "I can't reach foo.com, can you try pinging it?". "OK,
>>>> what's the IP?" It's sloppy, but lots of casual conversation is sloppy,
>>>> and people figure out the meaning from context.
>>>
>>> Yes, casual conversations, I agree. But not like "Pointed Head"
>>> indicated.
>>
>> Mr. Stuckle, you can make your point without belittling yourself and
>> others.
>>
>> Bill B
>
> As I've told you before - I really don't give a damn what you think. You
> can take your self-righteous attitude and stuff it where the sun doesn't
> shine. That way it will be right next to your head.

Your belligerence is unconvincing, Mr. Stuckle. Your opinion of your
opinion of my thinking is beside the point. Civil discourse is the point.

Bill B

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		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 17 January 2011 20:46
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 01:57
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: D. Stussy on Sat, 12 March 2011 07:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 08:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:21
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Roy Smith on Sat, 12 March 2011 14:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 15:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:59
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 02:33
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 14:58
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:46
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 19:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:52
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:51
		OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:49
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 17:17
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Tue, 15 March 2011 15:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:40
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:12
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:42
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:07
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:49
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Mon, 14 March 2011 04:20
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:54
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:39
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:19
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:14
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sun, 13 March 2011 23:45
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 14 March 2011 11:23
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 13:29
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