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Re: Lilupophilupop [message #176486 is a reply to message #176484]

Sun, 08 January 2012 15:00

Jerry Stuckle
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On 1/8/2012 9:27 AM, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2012-01-08 14:53, M. Strobel meinte:
>> Am 07.01.2012 20:34, schrieb Gregor Kofler:
>>> Am 2012-01-07 16:13, M. Strobel meinte:
>>>> Am 07.01.2012 14:28, schrieb Gregor Kofler:
>>>> > Am 2012-01-07 13:15, M. Strobel meinte:
>>>>
>>>> >> But it happens all the time. If you use tools/4GLs/CMSses you
>>>> >> have to trust them, of course.
>>>> >
>>>> > How can I "trust" (or "mistrust") 4GLs?
>>
>> Believe that the software does what it is meant to.
>> Are you going to ask what I think it is meant to, or what I thing
>> you think it is meant to?
>
> A 4th generation language can have bugs and allow exploits, just like
> 3rd generation languages. Despite the version upgrade, you still have to
> write scripts or programs (and care about security issues, which arise
> in the scope of your script). A CMS is a ready-to-use product, that
> *should* take care of such issues and rule out any security issues in
> the scope of the scripts of the application.
>

Your reasoning is faulty. A 4GL should rule out security issues in the
scope of the language. A CMS can also have bugs and allow exploits.

And even with a CMS you have to write your own scripts.

Also, CMS's have had any number of security problems over the years,
even within their own scope.

>>> Gregor
>>>
>> and to Thomas PE
>>
>> I think using a software like Coldfusion shows that you trust it
>> - at least so far as to say it is usable.
>
> CF is a PITA, but, yes, it's "usable" (some - or rather few - people
> even *like* CF). I've never used the term "trust" with a language - they
> are "flexible", "concise", "comfortable", etc. I don't know what a
> "trustworthy" language is.
> Besides, I don't know why CF is considered a 4GL (according to
> WikiPedia) and PHP is not.
>
>> Sure there is room to debate "trust".
>
> Sounds like a discussion for discussions sake.
>
> Gregor

I trust languages (even 4GL) much more than I do CMS's.

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		Lilupophilupop By: M. Strobel on Sat, 07 January 2012 12:15
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 07 January 2012 13:15
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Sat, 07 January 2012 17:27
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: J.O. Aho on Sat, 07 January 2012 17:52
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 07 January 2012 21:02
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Peter H. Coffin on Wed, 11 January 2012 00:31
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: M. Strobel on Wed, 11 January 2012 08:29
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 11 January 2012 13:42
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Erwin Moller on Wed, 11 January 2012 14:23
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Gregor Kofler on Sat, 07 January 2012 13:28
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: M. Strobel on Sat, 07 January 2012 15:13
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 07 January 2012 17:03
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Gregor Kofler on Sat, 07 January 2012 19:34
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: M. Strobel on Sun, 08 January 2012 13:53
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Gregor Kofler on Sun, 08 January 2012 14:27
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 08 January 2012 15:00
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Gregor Kofler on Sun, 08 January 2012 17:29
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 08 January 2012 20:49
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Gregor Kofler on Sun, 08 January 2012 21:59
		Re: Lilupophilupop By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 08 January 2012 22:38

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