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Re: loose thinking [message #176793 is a reply to message #176792]

Tue, 24 January 2012 18:11

M. Strobel
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Am 24.01.2012 17:59, schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 24.01.2012 15:16, schrieb Peter H. Coffin:
>>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:32:52 +0100, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay I see it is well documented. I just started testing.
>>>>
>>>> I am angry about it because not even isset() respects the null value
>>>> here. I think it makes more sense this way: isset($a[null]) should
>>>> return false, because there is no null index.
>>> Parens change precedence. Even on functions.
>>>
>>>> The point is that the designers of PHP (if you can talk about design
>>>> here) probably meant to help programmers in not making all these
>>>> hideous type distinctions, but the outcome is you have to be really
>>>> careful about loose comparison and unwanted type conversion, having to
>>>> write even more if constructs.
>>> Yup. If you want Pascal, you know where to find it.
>>
>> In my library, Niklaus Wirth, Algorithms and Data Structures, 3. Ed. 1983.
>>
>> But not so much in web programming.
>>
> Indeed. So strongly typed as to be almost unusable in the real world.
>
> At least C gave you the cast and the union.
>
> YOU try writing a disk access program in Pascal, where the sector coming off the disk
> might be a file or directory structure with a specific layout, or a simple block of
> binary data.
>
> I gave up and rewrote the sodding thing in C..
>
I don't agree to 'almost unusable'. It's a little OT, but...

Pascal was designed as a problem solver, not a system programming language. And it
was well accepted for speed and program clarity, until Delphi came out and people did
not know it was Pascal, and the move to Modula-2 divided the community more.

It left a gap as business logic solver, until Java tried to fill it. Not to talk
about baby babble COBOL.

/Str.

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		loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 10:57
		Re: loose thinking By: alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX on Tue, 24 January 2012 13:04
		Re: loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 13:32
		Re: loose thinking By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 24 January 2012 13:41
		Re: loose thinking By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 24 January 2012 14:35
		Re: loose thinking By: Peter H. Coffin on Tue, 24 January 2012 14:16
		Re: loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 16:35
		Re: loose thinking By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 24 January 2012 16:59
		Re: loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 18:11
		Re: loose thinking By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 25 January 2012 03:49
		Re: loose thinking By: Peter H. Coffin on Wed, 25 January 2012 13:58
		Re: loose thinking By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 25 January 2012 19:37
		Re: loose thinking By: alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX on Tue, 24 January 2012 15:20
		Re: loose thinking By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 24 January 2012 15:43
		Re: loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 18:43
		Re: loose thinking By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 24 January 2012 16:02
		Re: loose thinking By: M. Strobel on Tue, 24 January 2012 16:28

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