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Re: What Jerry Stuckle thinks of PHP programmers [message #177868 is a reply to message #177858]

Tue, 24 April 2012 18:32

Tim Streater
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In article <tj3cp7l3hsfbkrcps98arpgaquvr8r7hrh(at)4ax(dot)com>,
Ross McKay <au(dot)org(dot)zeta(dot)at(dot)rosko(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:10:00 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>
>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote in message
>> news:jmu1nc$fui$1(at)dont-email(dot)me...
>> <snip>
>>> Yea, right. And what is the experience of those programmers? PHP
>>> programmers as a whole are not known for their intelligence or competence.
>>> In fact, just the opposite is true.
>>
>> All you PHP programmers in this group now know that Jerry Stuckle, that
>> self-proclaimed guru and OO expert, thinks that you are stupid and
>> incompetent.
>>
>> Anyone care to comment?
>
> For a change, I think he might be close to correct. Having dealt with a
> large quantity of other people's code, especially some very large
> WordPress plugins, I have to say that PHP code quality that I've seen in
> the wild is often very poor.
>
> At least a compiled language enforces *some* quality corrections on
> one's code, whereas PHP (and also JavaScript) seem to be designed to
> help total newbie programmers get the job done. This is good, but it
> also leads to piles of excremental code that "work" much in the same way
> that Microsoft Access allows newbie database wranglers to build
> databases that "work".
>
> Sure, you get bad code in any language, but I sincerely believe that
> I've seen more bad PHP code than other bad code (even bad classic ASP
> code). Which is not to say that said code didn't "work", for limited
> values of "work". The entry level for writing working PHP code is very
> low, so you get all comers. Most will learn over time and improve, as we
> all continue to do (or most of us anyway, I hope!)

All of which is interesting but irrelevant.

--
Tim

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