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Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? [message #180147 is a reply to message #180071] Tue, 15 January 2013 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Arno Welzel is currently offline  Arno Welzel
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Am 04.01.2013 19:13, schrieb The Natural Philosopher:

> On 04/01/13 16:50, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:52:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2013 7:06 AM, bill wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2013 8:18 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
[...]
>>>> > But why worry? A developer has an IDE.
>>>> >
>>>> > /Str.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I prefer HTML-Kit Tools as an editor and it is not part of an IDE.
>>>> bill
>>>
>>> Sorry, I agree. A DEVELOPER has an IDE. A hacker uses an editor.
>>
>> A real hacker redirects echo straight to a text file. (;
>>
> Its about as stupid as saying a real woodworker has a planer
> thicknesser, table router, spindle moulder and a press.
>
> And doesn't use hammers chisels and hand saws and scrapers.
>
> Yet the best musical instruments and cabinet making is all done with
> hand tools.
>
> I was writing code long before we HAD IDEs. And once you had blown the
> EAROM you had to guess at why it didn't work. Because we didn't have
> enough ICES to go round.
[...]

The had the first IDEs including source level debuggers in the late
1980s long before Windows or Linux became popular as they are today (and
when i started software development, Windows 3.1 didn't even exist) -
and yes, i really liked the opportunity to have "projects" and
debugging. Just because it is technically possible to do something
without a special tool it does not mean that using better tools is not wise.

BTW: The GNU Debugger was created in 1986.

> BECAUSE we were professionals we learnt to write code in such a way that
> the chances of a bug were very very low.
>
> Its hackers who use IDES to throw code together, and then spend the next
> day bodging it until it works, simply because they have the tools that
> make debugging easier than writing proper code in the first place.

I doubt that you ever did projects with thousands line of code from
scratch and more than one person working on the same project this way.


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