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Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. [message #184497 is a reply to message #184480] Fri, 03 January 2014 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Arved Sandstrom is currently offline  Arved Sandstrom
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On 01/02/2014 09:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/2/2014 3:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's
>>>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA
>>>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately
>>>> informed by
>>>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience
>>>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually
>>>> light years ahead of Java ORMs.
>>>
>>> Much cleaner syntax.
>>>
>>> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important
>>> to translate that into "light years ahead".
>>>
>> We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala
>> Squeryl are far in advance of Java.
>>
>> I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been
>> possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite
>> far ahead of Java.
>
> I think we almost agree on the grading of the syntaxes.
>
> But we may disagree on the weight given to syntax in an ORM
> evaluation.
>
> I just don't see syntax for queries as being important enough
> to cause "light years ahead".
>
> Everything else equal, then a nice syntax obviously create
> a winner.
>
> Arne
>
Every time I look at the JPA criteria API, I cringe. :-) This
occasionally causes me to use excessive comparisons.

But I don't see how syntax of data access code is not _quite_ important.
Whether SQL or JDBC or JPA or native ORMs etc. Syntax is a major part of
what makes an API readily useable.

AHS
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