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Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts [message #185897 is a reply to message #185883]

Wed, 14 May 2014 08:36

crankypuss
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On 05/13/2014 02:35 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <lktn4a$n8q$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/05/14 17:32, Johnny wrote:
>
>>> Linux Shell Scripting Tutorial v1.05r3
>>> A Beginner's handbook
>>>
>>> http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
>> Prezactly. PHP is optimised for HTML work really.
>
> Who cares.

I'm not sure what the claim that "PHP is optimised for HTML work" is
supposed to imply, but it works quite well for writing "CLI"
applications. I consider it a general-purpose programming language and
the fact that it fits nicely into the web environment is just an added
bonus.

>> There are far better languages to do other stuff in, though I have to
>> say I dislike scripting langauges really and prefer to use C wherever
>> possible.

How to say this inoffensively... I find it amusing that you are
basically saying that there are better languages than PHP but they
mostly suck in one fashion or another. <G>

(I suppose that I agree with that sentiment fwiw, but I have too large a
codebase of existing PHP functions and applications to drop it all and
go start writing C again after not having looked at C or C++ since about
2000.)

> I can't be arsed to fiddle around with C these days. Too much faffing
> around with declarations - and no string handling to speak of either.
>
> Non-issues in PHP.

Agree. I started working in PHP somewhere around 2002. I chose PHP
because at the time I needed to build a website and PHP was readily
available on the hosting system. That I had a previous experience with
Rexx and there are many similarities between PHP and Rexx helped make me
comfortable with PHP, despite the fact that in some ways PHP is "a bit
less than pretty". By the time that I shut down the business that
necessitated the website, and shortly after that walked away from
Windows to begin using linux, I had accumulated a sizable library of
functions and application-components written in PHP.

When I took a look at the level of crudity implemented in the "default"
linux scripting language and found that a proper shebang will allow one
to use PHP for CLI applications, using my existing codebase for "linux
scripting" became a done deal.

I find myself somewhat shocked at the level of hidebound conformity that
appears to exist in the linux community. There is so much that can be
done with PHP that bash really can't compete unless you set the rules up
to favor it heavily. The default linux scripting language is, however,
deeply embedded in many aspects of every linux distro I've come across,
so I can understand to a certain degree the desire to avoid looking at
anything better.

Still, since I can use PHP as my own linux scripting language, and use
it to write fullblown applications, and have a bunch of PHP code that
works fairly decently, I continue in that direction.

Apparently without much company, as I read the replies here. <g>

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		query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 10:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Auric__ on Tue, 13 May 2014 13:28
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Tue, 13 May 2014 14:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Collin Pruitt on Tue, 13 May 2014 15:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Johnny on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 20:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Tue, 13 May 2014 21:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 22:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:20
		PHP Gui Toolkits (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:58
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:04
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:38
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:59
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:01
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 10:40
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:44
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:54
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:50
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Thu, 15 May 2014 11:58
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:08
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:04
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 03:42
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:21
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 14:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 18:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:51
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:34
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 13:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:12
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:03
		PHP integers (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Fri, 16 May 2014 01:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 08:25
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 16 May 2014 13:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:33
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:36
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:58
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		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:24
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:53
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Thu, 15 May 2014 10:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 14:17
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		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:20
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		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:26
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